Muhammad Rasheed - [shared online quiz] IMDB Top 250 Movies of All Time
Muhammad Rasheed - I got a 107. Some of them I wish I could un-watch, so does that make my score lower? I would totally give Rocky and Slumdog Millionaires back and take a 105.
Brett Barton - Wait. Rocky? You don't like Rocky?
Brett Barton - What. The. Hell.
Brett Barton - 134. So dat.
Muhammad Rasheed - You can have my portion.
Muhammad Rasheed - You can have Rocky, Slumdog Millionaires, The Matrix, Gran Torino, and The Bourne Ultimatum.
Abdur Rasheed - Slumdog was awesome! You are high. Fight club was some bullshit!
Muhammad Rasheed - Fight Club was cool until the bs reveal. I can always cut off the DVD before that part comes. Slumdog was only cool when you were telling it. It was bs to actually watch. I started to drive up to MI and sit in front of you with my popcorn to finish it. And if I hear that damn song from it again I'm going to Kim Jong-Un India...
Jeremy Travis - Fight Club AND Slumdog are EXCELLENT. You two doofuses don't know anything.
Jeremy Travis - The Matrix was great, too!
Abdur Rasheed - Muhammad wrote: " I started to drive up to MI and sit in front of you with my popcorn to finish it."
Then there was this tiger on this boat... wait that was the Life of Pi. All those dot head movies are all starting to run together. Throw that Last Airbender horse shit on the pile.
Muhammad wrote: "And if I hear that damn song from it again I'm going to Kim Jong-Un India..."
[stops the hindu rap musical extravaganza ear-gasm-O-face]
I don't even know you anymore.
Abdur Rasheed - Jeremy Travis wrote: "The Matrix was great, too!"
The timeless tale of the young boy who don't know shit about shit and can't take five steps without falling down fifty or more times until the people who have dedicated their whole lives to learning and living a different way of life give him a few lessons which becomes more of a mild inconvenience on his way to becoming the master because he's really the CHOSEN ONE?
The reason WHY it's timeless is because Hollywood keeps telling the same bullshit story.
Alright, alright, white people (and Jayden Smith in the karate kid remake) are AWESOME because of their determination and heart! FUCK I GET IT!
Now make a movie about an Indian poor kid on a gameshow so I can guess what will happen for a change.
Maybe a tiger and an Indian boy on a boat.
Life of Pi advertisement wrote: "Just like James Cameron's Avatar"
Me: "FUCK I hope not! You mean the story about the crippled white boy who was the chosen one/bestest big blue fucker on the planet????"
Bullet curving fuckers!
Kung Fu fucking Panda!
Abdur Rasheed - FUCKING ROCKY!!!!
Fucking Rocky was so fucking bad at this bullshit narative (or good depending on if it gave you a chubby or not) that they have an actual statue of Fucking Rocky in the city and he wasn't even a real fucking boxer.
Heavy weight champion Joe Frazier was, and the first man to EVER beat Muhammad Ali in the ring.
B-hop defended his middle weight title 20 times and has the record of the oldest boxer.
Over 100 world champions from Philly and they have a statue of Fucking Rocky??
In fairness to Fucking Rocky it is a timeless tale of the young boy who don't know shit about shit and can't take five steps without falling down fifty or more times until the people who have dedicated their whole lives to learning and living a different way of life give him a few lessons which becomes more of a mild inconvenience on his way to becoming the master because he's really the CHOSEN ONE?
Brett Barton - @ the brothers Rasheed;
Rocky is a symbol, Merican' Icon of "what if"
Rocky is an underdog tale not the same as a "chosen" one tail, similar only because Apollo chooses Rocky when he is looking for nobody's to give "a chance" ( a ruse fight)
Rocky had a story and life outside of the ring before all that developed...
I love the damn movie.
The story behind the movie is an even better tale, all true.
Agree about the statue and bit honoring actual boxers from famed cities, however it is picturesque and iconic in the film. I see why there is one.
Real life fighters only get the 15 minutes of fame in the ring.
Sometimes one comes along and everybody knows the name when mentioned but for all the greats there are 1,000 just doing it (Nike style)
Michael Daniels - Not to interrupt your very intertaning fiction, Arah, but how is Rocky "The chosen one." if he loses in the end?
Abdur Rasheed - You mean at the end of the 8th movie when his Parkinson's kicked in on him?
Brett Barton - He loses in the first movie. Just puts up a hell if a fight, which was supposed to be a walk in the park for Creed.
Watch the movie.
Michael Daniels - No, goof, the first movie...lol...You know, the one that we're freaking discussing, the one that won the Oscar for Best Picture???????
Brett Barton - @ Michael Daniels
Haters gonna hate
Michael Daniels - Clearly Bruh, clearly....and dem Rasheed boys have it down to a science.
Abdur Rasheed - Brett Barton wrote: "He loses in the first movie. Just puts up a hell if a fight, which was supposed to be a walk in the park for Creed."
Then what happened?
Abdur Rasheed - Michael Daniels wrote: "...the one that won the Oscar for Best Picture???????"
Imagine my joy.
Didn't Monsters Ball win one of those too?
Michael Daniels - "Then what happened?"
In an iconic moment in cinematic history he calls for his developmentally delayed girlfriend....and then the credits roll.
"Didn't Monsters Ball win one of those too?"
No, the movie didn't. Halle Berry won one for her performance in that movie...and it was deserved.
Abdur Rasheed - Brett Barton wrote: "Agree about the statue and bit honoring actual boxers from famed cities, however it is picturesque and iconic in the film. I see why there is one."
So they should have wrapped that fucker up, put it in a crate and gave it to Stallone.
The only reason why they didn't is because Stallone said, "nuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh uuuuuuhhhhhhh"
Roughly translated to mean "I'm not a real fucking boxer. What in the hell am I supposed to do with this heavy ass thing? Just leave it."
Somebody should have wheeled that fucker in that pawn shop in Vegas by now to score some crack and hookers.
Abdur Rasheed - Michael Daniels wrote: ""Then what happened?"
In an iconic moment in cinematic history he calls for his developmentally delayed girlfriend....and then the credits roll."
Now you din ruined it for me.
How about a spoiler alert, Rev!
"Didn't Monsters Ball win one of those too?"
Michael Daniels wrote: "No, the movie didn't. Halle Berry won one for her performance in that movie...and it was deserved."
I'll say. It took talent to get bent over a couch by a racist who pulled a shotgun on some little kids.
I watch movies with that kind of acting in it damn near daily.
Cat woman was better.
Michael Daniels - You do realize you're denigrating the writing which didn't win an Oscar...not the acting, right? And in order to challenge the acting performance wouldn't you have to have seen the other nomnees it was up against. Here they are:
Halle Berry in "Monster’s Ball"
Judi Dench in "Iris"
Nicole Kidman in "Moulin Rouge"
Sissy Spacek in "In the Bedroom"
Renée Zellweger in "Bridget Jones’s Diary"
I've seen 4 out of the 5, and yes, Halle takes it.
Brett Barton - Lol at nuuuuuuuuhhhhhuuuuuuhh
Abdur Rasheed - Michael Daniels wrote: "I've seen 4 out of the 5, and yes, Halle takes it."
Yeah she did.
Brett Barton - Lol.
Brett Barton - She took it real good.
Muhammad Rasheed - Brett wrote: "He loses in the first movie. Just puts up a hell if a fight, which was supposed to be a walk in the park for Creed."
Deacon wrote: "No, goof, the first movie...lol...You know, the one that we're freaking discussing, the one that won the Oscar for Best Picture???????
Brett Barton wrote: "Haters gonna hate"
Deacon wrote: "Clearly Bruh, clearly....and dem Rasheed boys have it down to a science."
I don't dislike Rocky because I'm a hater, I’m already familiar with the Ali/Wepner fight’s inspiration for the original script, and I do understand the message of "heart" and the concept of perseverance against the odds as a virtue. The reason I don't like Rocky is because it's just a vanity project for white people. Sports tend to be racially polarized anyway, but the sports that were famous for keeping blacks out altogether (tennis, golf, boxing) are especially so. During the time period when Jack Johnson became champion, there was none of this modern racist talk about how blacks had been bred during slavery to be superior physical specimens like they were farm animals. In those days blacks were considered inferior in every way except maybe watermelon eating contests, so when Johnson took the greatest prize in sports it shocked the world. In fact, the beating he gave then champion Tommy Burns was so dominant the police stepped in the ring to keep a white man from being disgraced like that. Likewise Joe Louis’ undisputed reign, as he disposed of his white challenger “bums of the month’ for over eleven years, flew in the face of Hitler’s ‘aryan ideal’ of white superiority.
Whenever there’s a dominant black champion the whites who long for the return of the champion from their own race settle for the ‘heart’ thing. If the black champion didn’t slap the white challenger around and the challenger puts up a good fight, then they immediately go on and on about how much ‘heart’ the challenger had. That’s their consolation prize. “They may have the belt [especially during a time period when it looked like there would never be another white heavyweight boxing champion ever again], but at least we have heart! They can take our sport, but they can’t take our heart away from us!” So they made a movie about “heart” and white folk threw their awards at it, and gave the fictional white champion with heart the key to the city of Philadelphia and ignored the great, undisputed black champion with heart who was not only actually from Philly, but whose training methods were ripped off and given to the fictional white boxer. As an added slap in the face they made a statue of the fictional white boxer and set it at the top of the very same steps that the black boxer ran up during his actual workout; they wanted to make sure he saw that damn statue every time he did it, I guess.
This is what I think of when I see the film Rocky. The story is CLEARLY not intended for me, no matter what Deac may believe. In the sequel, ‘Chuck Wepner’ who trains like Joe Frazier showed up and actually defeated ‘Muhammad Ali’ exactly what I would expect to happen in the sequel of a film that was a white man’s fantasy tale. What else would’ve happened?
The black man is the villain in it based on real life white dislike of a champion I like. A real life black man’s life was ripped off to build the white character and the real life black man source was given no credit for it, so that when the film made its great wealth on that black man’s back, it wouldn’t have to share any of it with him. I don’t like that movie, and I see no reason why I should. It wasn’t made for me, and I love my own people too much to temporarily turn off that love just to get into that story... the same way I imagine white people dislike After Earth. They love white privilege and white nepotism too much to want to allow a successful black family in on that monopoly, so they made sure to smear it enough before it was released so it would fail. "Hopefully a bunch of influential and wealthy black folk won’t try THAT again! *whew!* We dodged a bullet."
Brett Barton - I think maybe there is some racial tension between you and the movie Rocky.
I don't take that from the movie, though being white... I still know many a black that love the movie and don't take the same feeling or idea you have towards the movie.
I feel with the statue.... the story makes the training montage iconic completion with his workout at the top of the stairs.
The statue as a symbol for what the movie stands for. Not necessarily the fictions champion itself.
Set the race card aside and watch the damn movie, how it was made, and the story of hope behind it.
Also what Sly did with the money after the movie.
I feel the story pays homage to real life fighters and the struggle.
Through out the entire franchise there is an underline black/white thing and how you overcome that, get out of your comfort zone and be friends regardless.
Muhammad Rasheed - Brett wrote: "I think maybe there is some racial tension between you and the movie Rocky."
Muhammad Rasheed - I've seen the movie, Brett. That's why I would like to give those memory synapses to you, and fill the void left with a movie that actually has value for me. Rocky holds none. Other black people live their own lives and can choose or not choose whatever for themselves. Like Deacon. But for me, I can't use that movie. I'll find a better work of art with the same overcoming message that would speak to me better. This movie has the race card built into it, and what I described IS how it was made. I can never enjoy it because it has racism at its heart and it's some bullshit.
Muhammad Rasheed - No thank you.
Muhammad Rasheed - Brett wrote: "I feel the story pays homage to real life fighters and the struggle."
Of course it does! And I said that. It pays homage to all the white fighters who showed 'heart' when they demonstrated a better performance than what was expected by the Vegas gambling odds when they were up against against a dominant black champion. Like the guy that fought Jon Jones and Wepner and the Raging Bull, etc., etc. But that message isn't for me. It's for YOU. I can't use it. I don't spend all my time wishing the combat sport champions were white.
Tom Racine - But...but...it's got turtles named "Cuff" and "Link!" C'mon, man!
Muhammad Rasheed - Don't try to change my mind, Tom! I'm committed to disliking Rocky's nonsense. lol
Tom Racine - And his dog, "Butkis!" C'mon!
Muhammad Rasheed - I SAID I'M COMMITTED!
Brett Barton - I'm for all fighters. Race aside. Even if the story is of one or the other, it applies to all.
You just keep in holding out for "Tyson" by Tyler Perry and Spike Lee
Muhammad Rasheed - Sure, I could tell you were for 'all fighters' during your comments for the last Jones fight and the last Silva fight. Right, Brett. smh. #getoutofherewiththefakeness
Abdur Rasheed - This was AWESOME!
Muhammad Rasheed - What's the difference between this and that other Tyson film he made a few years ago?
Abdur Rasheed - One is a movie and the other is a broadway play.
Muhammad Rasheed - But once Spike makes this version, it'll be a movie, too. Covering the same material as the other movie.
Brett Barton - I don't care for Silva, though awesome. I have never really liked him. Showboat but no Ali. We saw how that went for him recently. Not sue it wasn't a dive.
Jones another great fighter, don't cheer for him for via smashing of some of my favorite dudes and well he lost (the majority) of that last fight in my opinion... But the champion always get favored on judges score cards so no surprise.
So whoever (when) beats Jones is gonna have to submit or knock him out
Abdur Rasheed - The competitor who is the most relaxed and confident will dominate the scared one. All things being equal, relaxed and confident wins the vast majority of the time.
That relaxed confidence can allow you to accomplish almost superhuman feats (i.e...Jordan flying from the free throw line, Roy Jones holding one hand behind his back, and showing it to his opponent only to knock him on his ass with it, Silva dodging multiple shots just to KO his opponent with a hard front kick, Tyson dodging multiple punches while moving in for the kill.)
How relaxed and confident looks to one person looks like showboating to the next, but I can tell you that once you are in that situation and all eyes are on you...you will be glad to break into character and let your confidence flow.
People use all kinds of personal tricks in order to limit their nervousness in high stress situations.
Jesus isn't going to help one fighter over the other for money.
You had better have a backup plan.
Showboating is amazing when you can back it up.
Silva was very overconfident and he even looked bored in his last fight. It seemed like he was tired of being champion.
If so it will play in the back of his head that even if he wins he won't really accomplish anything.
Time will tell where his head is at.
Muhammad Rasheed - @ Brett... Integrity Check: How did you feel about the showboating that Rory MacDonald displayed when he fought B.J. Penn?
Abdur Rasheed - Brett dosent like any showboating of any kind from anybody anywhere ever.
Brett Barton - I actually do like a little for the sport of things Abdur.
I've been in the situation.
Again some is ok.
I love BJ so....
I do think Anderson is one of the, if not the best PFP of all time.
Doesn't mean I have to like him.
Abdur Rasheed - What man doesn't love a BJ?
Muhammad Rasheed - lol
Muhammad Rasheed - Here's the thing, in my experience white sports fans ALWAYS mention showboating when black athletes do it, and NEVER bring it up at all when white fighters do it. That's a fundamental prejudice trait and has to do with what they are projecting when they see each athlete: For the white athlete he's just playing around and it doesn't mean anything worth mentioning, whereas when the black athlete does it it's arrogance personified and "why the fuck did we let these fuckers in our gotdam sport?!"
Brett Barton - I lost interest in routing for Anderson Silva when he was showboating on a brown person.
Argument invalid with me.
Muhammad Rasheed - Nah. It's valid. You're the one who brought up the showboat thing in this thread, pretty much on cue. You don't even remember Rory showboating even though he was beating up your boy while he was doing it.
Abdur Rasheed - Brett Barton wrote: "I lost interest in routing for Anderson Silva when he was showboating on a brown person.
Argument invalid with me."
Silva was showboating because some athletes showboat. Whoever their opponent/team is doesn't matter. The ethnicity of the athlete doesn't matter.
We're not talking about Silva's perceptions. We're talking about the majority's perceptions and who they feel CAN showboat and who they don't like because it feels wrong.
Brett Barton - @dur
I think some is ok. There is a level that is not even sportsman and disrespectful to the opponent and anyone watching.
The crap in the Maia fight wasn't acceptable in my opinion.
I was waiting for a Tea Bag or something....
Just finish the guy when you are that much better. Don't waste everybody's time.
Problem was more time taunting than actual engagement.
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