Tuesday, December 16, 2014

Treating the Symptom


Gary McCoy – [shared link] Follow the money, people! The bra industry is owned by the KKK! I mean, duh!


http://shar.es/11T2B8

David Becker - Considering no person of European extraction is that color (whether nude or not) is beyond the point.

Muhammad Rasheed - Hm. If they are going to call that color "nude" it should be part of a "Nude color set."

Muhammad Rasheed - Nude 00b1, Nude 00b2…

Muhammad Rasheed - ...or something similar.

Muhammad Rasheed - To say one very, very light toned color is the flesh-colored nude default is kind of odd. What is this? 1850?

Crowden Satz - I'd opt for "beige" (although "dead straw" seems a bit more accurate) (or perhaps, "old butter")

Christopher A. Schniepp - I'm sure they are all doing the breast that they can.

Mike Cummings - With people be beheaded by ISIS THIS is the worst thing on her mind? I buy BLACK bras for my wife all the time, so lets just call these HONKY HOLDERS.

Muhammad Rasheed - Mike Cummings wrote: "With people be beheaded by ISIS THIS is the worst thing on her mind?"

It's one of the symptoms of institutionalized racism. This particular item may itself be small in the grand scheme, but it is part of a bigger problem that is absolutely a big deal.

Muhammad Rasheed - If we never plan to deal with that bigger problem then at the very least we can pop a pill and treat the symptom.

Mike Cummings - I'll agree with that but I believe in treating the the broken arm before the sliver in the finger is all.

Muhammad Rasheed - I get you, but this broken arm isn't likely to be treated anytime soon.

Muhammad Rasheed - Right now it's kind of gangrenous...

Mike Cummings - Blame the government, not the people. I try to live and let live. I listen to the person first before I ever notice a color, if I am treated with respect I give my all in return, if I am treated like dirt, no mater the sex race or religion my guard goes straight up!

Muhammad Rasheed - Mike Cummings wrote: "Blame the government, not the people."

The people are responsible for their government. For example, it was the people who protested and made their government enact and enforce the jim crow laws. The gov performs as the people allow.

Mike Cummings wrote: "I try to live and let live. I listen to the person first before I ever notice a color, if I am treated with respect I give my all in return, if I am treated like dirt, no mater the sex race or religion my guard goes straight up!"

Unfortunately this is not a common attitude.

Mike Cummings - The gov performs as the people allow. Really? Did the people vote to send troops into war, did the people of NY State get to vote on the SAFE ACT? From what I can see the voice of the people has been stifled by rich movie stars, state governors and presidents of this country and not the selections of the people. Today in my mind "We The People" stands for nothing other then a family reunion in the local park.

Muhammad Rasheed - Mike Cummings wrote: "The gov performs as the people allow. Really?"

Always.

Mike Cummings wrote: "Did the people vote to send troops into war..."

Who are the "troops?" Robots? Are they not American citizens? If the people didn't want it, then why did they go?

Mike Cummings wrote: "...did the people of NY State get to vote on the SAFE ACT?"

What did they do to prevent it? Anything outside of grumbling under their breath? Then they allowed it. #goodPeopleDoingNothing

Mike Cummings wrote: "From what I can see the voice of the people has been stifled by rich movie stars, state governors and presidents of this country and not the selections of the people. Today in my mind "We The People" stands for nothing other then a family reunion in the local park."

To me the voice of the people is a large incredibly powerful group of wimps.

Mike Cummings - Muhammad, in the items I mentioned the people HAD NO VOICE, not given a chance of choice but the items were shoved down their collective throats. The peoples voice has been choked off and the sad thing is like sheep most Americans think these things are for their betterment without thinking. People have to be allowed to think, choose and elect their options and not have them cookie cutter placed in their lives.

Muhammad Rasheed - People always have a choice, Mike. Often they only give lip service to the harder, ugly choices, but they are on the table, too. But they usually don't choose those until their frustration reaches the boiling point...

Muhammad Rasheed - We're not frustrated enough yet.

Mike Cummings - In my mind once we have a government that gives all people jobs instead of welfare, food stamps and free cell phones but gives them the self respect that all people should have we will have nothing! When you work for a dollar you respect yourself.

Muhammad Rasheed - Mike Cummings wrote: "In my mind once we have a government that gives all people jobs..."

It's not the gov's role to "give us all jobs." The government's job is to maintain and enforce a framework of laws that enable people to create/find jobs.

Gary McCoy - I do believe racism still runs rampant in our society. Just watched a video of a white couple being brutally attacked by a group of young black men. Still waiting for Eric Holder to speak out. And waiting...

Mike Cummings - Gives jobs was miss spoken, forms a fair work area were all people can FIND jobs is more the statement I meant.

Muhammad Rasheed - Gary McCoy wrote: "I do believe racism still runs rampant in our society. Just watched a video of a white couple being brutally attacked by a group of young black men."

Did that represent a "racist attack" or a typical opportunistic petty crime from the same demographic among every race who act that way? Were those kids ONLY attacking whites, or anyone they thought were weak?

Mike Cummings - Now who is the racist? I'm Irish, look back on my RACE in the early 1900's.

Muhammad Rasheed - What you all were going through wasn't racism of course, it was classism.

Muhammad Rasheed - The newly arrived immigrants were at the bottom of the socio-economic totem pole until you finally managed to assimilate into the greater society through education and wealth building.

Mike Cummings - No it was discrimination, plan and simple. you can call it what you like but that is what it was

Muhammad Rasheed - Of course it was discrimination, but that was the basis of it. Not racism. You were of the same race as the oppressor/discriminator.

Muhammad Rasheed - In my people's case, it was a combination of both since the system of institutional racism widened the gap of economic opportunity between the races, it linked our race to the lower classes, compounding the issue. It functioned the same though, only now my people's assimilation into the greater society is still dragging woefully behind, while yours was 100% successful.

Mike Cummings - REALLY?! The English, Italians and the rest were treated the same? The only group treated like the Irish were the Asians. The BIG difference was the Irish fought with the Union forces against the South. Died in the fields to end slavery due to the fact they felt the sting of discrimination.

Muhammad Rasheed - All recently arrived immigrants were treated like that. Under educated, very poor, with wild delinquent youths causing problems in the community... it always takes those folk, recently arrived off the boat, sometime to finally get their legs under them, some quicker than others. In every case, the people who were their before them who were established often resented the immigrants and their uncouthness, and always discriminated against them. It happened to everyone.

Muhammad Rasheed - Be thankful that those hard times are now in your past.

Mike Cummings - As are yours my friend, unless you wish to beat an old rug and see what old dirt comes out. If you want to learn, work and make for a better life in this country no mater how corrupt it is, no mater who or what color you are, you can make it. And in doing so make this country a better place. It takes more then water to make a good soup, seasonings need to be added.

Muhammad Rasheed - Does the Ferguson controversy demonstrate to you that my people's struggles are over? I'm fascinated when members of your demographic express the opinion that there is no more racism. It makes me wonder what it is you are actually looking at.

By contrast there are no more "Irish Need Not Apply" signs anywhere. Your discrimination issues are now extinct, which I point out with genuine envy. For us, institutional racism still exists, though I agree with you that it isn't an impenetrable wall, just a hurdle for the determined African-American to overcome as he/she strives for a better quality of life. But it IS still there.

Mike Cummings - No the answer to that is pending. But should he be made a martyr after he robbed a store owner, strong arm intimidated the owner in the act, is this the roll model your looking for?

Muhammad Rasheed - I find it even more interesting that you managed to miss the numerous reports that revealed he didn't rob the store at all, and the recent footage that surfaced showing he did indeed have his hands up. I guess y'all stopped paying attention after you read the original false police statement that told you everything you wanted to hear?

Mike this is one of the reasons why that broken arm will probably never get fixed.

But anyway, it wasn't just the specific Ferguson incident I was referring to, but it as an archetype representing white cops slaughtering unarmed black youth, seeing them as a threat only because they are black, while they don't treat very armed and proven white criminals with the same 'Shoot to Kill First Then Ask Questions' policies.

Mike Cummings - OK, video lies. Once again the race card is played, the video lies.

Mike Cummings - http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5ad_1408126794

Muhammad Rasheed - So you are saying THIS old footage is telling the truth, but the expanded one showing him actually paying -- the very one that has the Ferguson Police Dept being investigated and being sued -- is the one that's lying? lol

See what I mean? smh

Gary McCoy - Muhammad Rasheed wrote, "Does the Ferguson controversy demonstrate to you that my people's struggles are over?"

As far as I know, there hasn't even been a trial yet. Unless you have the power to read minds, and know what was in officer Wilson's heart, as well as all the facts of he case, are you implying you know the Ferguson situation was one of racism?

Muhammad Rasheed wrote, Did that represent a "racist attack" or a typical opportunistic petty crime from the same demographic among every race who act that way? Were those kids ONLY attacking whites, or anyone they thought were weak?

Where to begin?... let's turn it around. Can you prove that every perceived act of racism against blacks is indeed actually racism? No, you can't. Are there true acts of racism against blacks? Yes. Are there true acts of racism against whites? Yes (Google "knockout game videos". There are some that also appear to be hate crimes against Jews.).

Are blacks better off today than they were six years ago before we elected our first bi-racial president. Aside from more class warfare and race politics, it could be argued that economically they are not.

Mike Cummings - I can get video farther back showing him grabbing the cigars if you like?

Muhammad Rasheed - ^I would be more impressed if you managed to get caught up where the story is today instead of going back into the past. lol

Muhammad Rasheed - I recognize y'all's ever-present fondness for all versions of the Good Ole Days, but you're gonna have to let it go. lol

Muhammad Rasheed - j/k

Mike Cummings - Once the proof is shown the racist rats always fall. The black man was murdered by he police! What about the innocent white father driving with his family shot in the face by black men just because he turned into the wrong neighborhood, I guess that was self defense. It is people that think like you that cause tension between the races.

Muhammad Rasheed - Gary McCoy wrote: “As far as I know, there hasn't even been a trial yet. Unless you have the power to read minds, and know what was in officer Wilson's heart, as well as all the facts of he case, are you implying you know the Ferguson situation was one of racism?”

The well-documented practice of shooting black youth to death over petty crimes, while capturing and gently stroking the back until they fall asleep of very armed white murderers, doesn’t require the final verdict in this case to recognize the same oft-repeated patterns.

Gary McCoy wrote: “Where to begin?... let's turn it around.”

You’re very light on your feet with your question-dodging side step, Gary. I’m gonna start calling you ‘Twinkle Toes.’

Gary McCoy wrote: “Can you prove that every perceived act of racism against blacks is indeed actually racism? No, you can't.”

How do you know I can’t? What are you basing that on exactly? Racist acts do tend to be pretty blatant and ham-fisted.

Gary McCoy wrote: “Are there true acts of racism against blacks? Yes. Are there true acts of racism against whites? Yes (Google ‘knockout game videos.’ There are some that also appear to be hate crimes against Jews.).”

http://www.usatoday.com/.../knockout-videos-show.../

“Unsuspecting victims are targeted at random.”

I know you always get steamed and jump to conclusions when you see the footage of blacks doing it to whites, but that doesn’t make it racist since the fact that the victim was white was only the luck of the draw, and not a deliberate racial targeting.

Gary McCoy wrote: “Are blacks better off today than they were six years ago before we elected our first bi-racial president. Aside from more class warfare and race politics, it could be argued that economically they are not.”

Do you compare the unemployment numbers between then and now? I knew quite a few black folk who were laid off during the Recession that are breathing a sigh of relief today… to a man… so forgive me if I would consider such an argument to be suspect.

Mike Cummings - Have you ever noticed that everyone calling them selves "Mohammad" seems to know all and have all the answers. Most will cite the Koran and state how the white race are the evil in the world?! From what I see the misguided Muslims riding this globe with the others are the evil ones! Murdering women, children and innocents like the ISIS group does where Christian miniseries bring food, medical help and care with no request for anything other then to listen to the words of Jesus.

Muhammad Rasheed - Mike Cummings wrote: "Once the proof is shown the racist rats always fall. The black man was murdered by he police! What about the innocent white father driving with his family shot in the face by black men just because he turned into the wrong neighborhood, I guess that was self defense."

He drove into a low class neighborhood where the criminal element is prevalent... the same as it is in every ethnic group's low class neighborhood. The poor criminal frequently resents the well to do upper classes, this is common knowledge. There is nothing there to suggest he was shot just because he was white. Meanwhile a black family driving in a middle class or upper middle class white neighbor is more likely to get harassed because they are black. That's the difference between the two.

Mike Cummings wrote: "It is people that think like you that cause tension between the races."

You think so? And here I thought it was from the actual racists making life unreasonable for people. Who knew it was all my fault? lol Boy is MY face red...

Mike Cummings - My point, did the white people riot over his murder? I do not care where he was in the USA, he was in the USA! Did the black Muslims stand out and say "This is an abomination in the eyes of Allah!"

Muhammad Rasheed - Mike Cummings wrote: "Have you ever noticed that everyone calling them selves "Mohammad" seems to know all and have all the answers. Most will cite the Koran and state how the white race are the evil in the world?!"

Watch your step I see you just stumbled over into straw man argument land. lol I'm not in Farrakhan's NOI group, Mike. I'm not a black nationalist, I'm an orthodox Muslim. Stay on topic, please.

Muhammad Rasheed - Mike Cummings wrote: "From what I see the misguided Muslims riding this globe with the others are the evil ones! Murdering women, children and innocents like the ISIS group does where Christian miniseries bring food, medical help and care with no request for anything other then to listen to the words of Jesus."

It's important to recognize that these militant -- and very angry -- terrorist groups didn't exist before the west began their interventionist foreign policy schemes, beginning in 1948. Notice how much in common their tactics have in common with the American confederates during 1861-1877.

Muhammad Rasheed - Mike Cummings wrote: "My point, did the white people riot over his murder?"

Why would they considering you and Gary are the only ones who seem to be confused as to whether it was a race crime or a crime of random opportunity.

Mike Cummings wrote: "I do not care where he was in the USA, he was in the USA! Did the black Muslims stand out and say 'This is an abomination in the eyes of Allah!'"

"Black Muslims?" What is this? 1959?

Come back to 2014, please, Mike. Those Good Ole Days are beckoning to you again. smh

Mike Cummings - I am, are you...I'm Irish Catholic, I look at facts not hear say and I care for my fellow man, no mater the race. In the Brown case I have not made my decision, I just don't know all the facts. It just seem that anytime an African American is evolved the race card comes out and riots start. If he had been a white boy, would you care at all?

Gary McCoy - Muhammad Rasheed wrote, "Black Muslims?" What is this? 1959?

http://aaii.info/

Muhammad Rasheed - Mike Cummings wrote: "I am, are you...I'm Irish Catholic, I look at facts not hear say and I care for my fellow man, no mater the race."

If I had a nickel...

Mike Cummings wrote: "In the Brown case I have not made my decision, I just don't know all the facts."

That explains why you stopped following the case after that first 11 hours in favor of barber shop gossip about it with your home boys.

Mike Cummings wrote: "It just seem that anytime an African American is evolved the race card comes out and riots start."

Well, that's what it looks like when the disenfranchised reach the boiling point of institutionalized racism's frustrations. What do your folk do when you eventually get fed up with frustrations and... oh. Lynch mobs. Right. Forgot.

Mike Cummings wrote: "If he had been a white boy, would you care at all?"

I would 100% be interested in a case in which an unarmed white youth was shot dead first over a petty crime. I would mark a "1" in that column in my tracker.

Muhammad Rasheed - Gary McCoy wrote: " http://aaii.info/ "

What is this you are posting, Gary? Forgive me but I've been burned before by trusting you all's links and had my CPU destroyed. The combination of you all's IT training with your penchant for expensive practical "jokes" has me paranoid. Sum it up for me, could ja?

Mike Cummings - You lie, and that is and abomination in the eyes of Allah, you would care if it was a white murdered by blacks, or even attacked by blacks?! You are a hypocrite just like all MUHAMMAD's!!!! Just call yourself a BLACK PANTHER member and say DEATH TO WHITEY!

Muhammad Rasheed - Mike Cummings wrote: "Have you ever seen how these Muslim brothers of yours sever the head of one of the people they murder? I am sure I can find you a video if you like! It is sick!"

As sick as the stuff your brethren have proven capable of? Do you really want to match atrocity to atrocity? I would rather leave that stuff alone, Mike, if it's all the same to you and stick to the abstract argument.

Muhammad Rasheed - Mike Cummings wrote: "You lie, and that is and abomination in the eyes of Allah, you would care if it was a white murdered by blacks, or even attacked by blacks?! You are a hypocrite just like all MUHAMMAD's!!!! Just call yourself a BLACK PANTHER member and say DEATH TO WHITEY!"

Wow. uhhh... I think it is safe to say I have won this little contest, considering you have decided to boldly step into the direction of Crazy Land. wth? lol

Muhammad Rasheed - B'bye. Peace.

Mike Cummings - And blacks have NEVER murdered a white person ever right?

Mike Cummings - So your saying your NOT racist?

Muhammad Rasheed - Is this you attempting to return to the topic? Very good, but scrape that crazy off of your shoes first, please.  There’s a lad.

Mike Cummings - Not an answer, are you a racist?

Muhammad Rasheed - Mike Cummings wrote: "And blacks have NEVER murdered a white person ever right?"

With the support of the gov? Destroying entire communities with the gov itself covering it up? Do you really think petty crimes are equal to institutionalized racism of majority power rule?

Muhammad Rasheed - Mike Cummings wrote: "So your saying your NOT racist?"

Why would I be a racist? Because I don't agree with your philosophy about it? I think that's a peculiar stance. What is racist to you, Mike?

Mike Cummings - You told me before the government has nothing to do with it, now it does?

Muhammad Rasheed - I said that the government IS the people. They do what the people allow. That's a very important concept to grasp. If the majority of the people... the power holders... are racist, then they will allow the gov to practice racist policies. (see: jim crow; slavery)

Mike Cummings - We need a common ground, not a forum to toss water balloons at one and other. The government SHOULD be the people, but it is not. Face the facts, I can send you a site address that shows all the presidential acts placed by all the presidents and the ones by Obama are scary! We have a dentention FEMA camp right in or area as mandated by Obama.

Muhammad Rasheed - *sigh*

I'm familiar with the FEMA camp controversy, Mike. Unfortunately, if you honestly believe that the concept of it originated on Obama's watch, then it would not be possible for us to find common ground, and you just demonstrated the severity of our broken arm. Please do not recommend any websites to me because they are clearly garbage.

Muhammad Rasheed - You need to up your research game.

Mike Cummings - Why, because Obama is black, or just because the government would never do that to the people?

Muhammad Rasheed - Because that FEMA item is older than your precious anti-Obama website has led you to blind-faith believe, and the president doesn't have the power to repeal stuff put in place by previous presidents.  Only executive orders.

Muhammad Rasheed - And this ain't one.

Mike Cummings - I might have to agree with you one that one, can't find the file

Mike Cummings - But I do think we both agree that the government WOULD do that to the good people of the USA.

Muhammad Rasheed - Of course.  They'll do whatever we let them do.  Bitchin' about stuff isn't a strong enough deterrent if you've noticed, especially when billions of dollars are at stake.  Trillions even.  They don't care about your harmless bitchin' and mumbling complaints. 


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