Jeremy Travis - Bill Cosby & Sofía Vergara
Some thoughts on this video:
1. On one hand, I feel sorry for his wife. Even if he weren't so egregious with his 'flirtation', that he would be so disrespectful to her and their marriage is just shameful. On the other hand, is/was he that way with her? Is she OK with this aspect of him? Is she an enabler?
2. What about his daughters' friends? Is/was he like that with them?
3. That he has so many explicit and implicit admissions to his rapist nature SHOULD clear all doubt from the minds of deniers.
But if not...
4. Seeing him be THIS comfortable with being so creepy on a television show with millions of viewers should tell you just how easily it would come to him in a private setting.
Darryl Clayton - Was that music playing during Uncle Bill's drool Fest?
Jeremy Travis - I'm guessing it was added for effect by whomever edited the video.
Deah M. Barber - Creepy assed creeper creep ass. Ew.
Aye Dub - Lol. He's just assertive! Rotflmbo
Jeremy Travis - :(
Aye Dub - Lol. You could learn from him...
Muhammad Rasheed - ^lol
Jeremy Travis - Shut it, Momo! >:(
Muhammad Rasheed - To me, it just looks too fishy. I haven't heard anything that justifies throwing Cosby under the bus as the poster child antagonist for feminist/women's rights.
Jeremy Travis - So his multiple mentions of drugging women's drinks isn't enough? His admission that he gave women quaaludes before 'consentual' sex, despite the fact that giving a woman quaaludes before sex makes consent practically impossible, isn't enough?
Muhammad Rasheed - During the 'swingers' sub-culture of the times, it was normal to offer people those pills, along with alcohol and marijuana, as options to "relax." Looking at this from our "date rape" perspective of how drugs + dating seem to us now, it is easy to jump to conclusions as to what must have been really happening, but that isn't true. Cosby said he didn't slip that stuff in peoples' drinks without their knowledge, and honestly, why would Bill Cosby have needed to? In light of everything we are aware of regarding celebrity culture and the groupie phenomenon, it doesn't seem as if much critical thinking is involved in this armchair smear campaign to me.
Jeremy Travis - MRasheed wrote: ""During the 'swingers' sub-culture of the times, it was normal to offer people those pills, along with alcohol and marijuana, as options to "relax." "
Quaaludes make you do far more than relax.
MRasheed wrote: ""Looking at this from our "date rape" perspective of how drugs + dating seem to us now, it is easy to jump to conclusions as to what must have been really happening, but that isn't true."
How do you KNOW that it's not true? Dozens of women make the same allegations, he has admitted to giving women quaaludes to 'relax' them into consensual sex, and he has said both in jest and in seriousness that he has laced women's drinks in order to get them 'relaxed' for sex, but him having sex with them without their consent is an absurd idea to you?
MRasheed wrote: ""Cosby said he didn't slip that stuff in peoples' drinks without their knowledge, and honestly, why would Bill Cosby have needed to?"
Rapists don't usually rape because they HAVE to or because there's no other way for them to have intercourse, they do it for the pleasure that comes from the forbidden act itself. Didn't some rich-ass basketball player just go to jail for date-raping a bunch of women? Since when do rich-ass basketball players HAVE to rape women? You make it sound like the profile of a rapist is some poor, ugly, uncharismatic reject when in fact the opposite is often true.
MRasheed wrote: ""In light of everything we are aware of regarding celebrity culture and the groupie phenomenon, it doesn't seem as if much critical thinking is involved in this armchair smear campaign to me."
He has already admitted to a hell of a lot that points to his guilt. I understand the pain of seeing 'America's Dad' nose-dive from grace, but there's far more that suggests that he's a sexual predator than there is that suggests that nearly FIVE DOZEN groupies are ALL telling the exact same lie, a lie that he has often confirmed.
Jeremy Travis - I'm fairly certain that a woman who has given consent for sex is already as relaxed as she needs to be. Some fucking knock-your-ass-smooth-the-fuck-OUT quaaludes seems like a whole helluva lot to 'relax' an already relaxed person.
Jeremy Travis - Also, not only have I not seen any other news source corroborate the story posted by Free Your Mind and Think, their own article doesn't even show how any of the five women were models or were paid to 'destroy' Bill Cosby like the headline suggests. Is this FYMaT staffed either by people who weren't 'smart' enough for Fox News or by people who weren't talented enough for the Onion?
Muhammad Rasheed - Here's a perfect example of how it actually worked in practice:
In her "tell-all" memoirs, Down the Rabbit Hole, former Playboy Bunny Holly Madison alleges that the first time she met Hugh Hefner, he offered her drugs.
"'Would you like a Quaalude?' Hef asked, leaning toward me with a bunch of large horse pills in his hands, held together by a crumpled tissue," Holly writes.
Holly said she declined the drugs. "'Okay, that's good,' Holly recalled. "'Usually, I don't approve of drugs, but you know, in the 70s they used to call these pills thigh-openers."
They functioned the same in context the way offering women a drink do. This multi-million dollar group settlement that Troiani is trying to get is banking on judge/jury using modern sensibilities regarding drugs + dating as a means to burn Cosby. Personally I haven't read anything that convinces me I should jump onboard the "Cosby raped these women using drugs!" FB train, because it all looks like just an attempt for opportunistic people, as led by Troiani, to get some money out of him, by any means necessary.
Jeremy Travis - Again, his multiple admissions that he spiked women's drinks in order to have sex with them doesn't raise suspicions in your mind?
Muhammad Rasheed - I haven't come across anything where he said he gave women drugs without their knowledge.
The other news sources eschew the opposite speculative opinion regarding what all of these allegations could mean, because they fear that angle may not attract the same numbers of viewership.
Jeremy Travis – MRasheed wrote: "I haven't come across anything where he said he gave women drugs without their knowledge."
I know you don't get out much, but it's a well-known fact that no one puts dope in a willing person's drink. Again, 'Spanish Fly' and the like are not for people who've already given consent. No one ever says "Let's go fuck, but first, I'mma need for you to spike my drink for me so that I can 'relax'."
MRasheed wrote: ""The other news sources eschew the opposite speculative opinion regarding what all of these allegations could mean, because they fear that angle maynot attract the same numbers of viewership."
So not CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Russia Today, Univision, nor al-Jazeera have the integrity to report 'the truth' that only a questionable website with all of the credibility of a sleepy toddler with a secret is willing to report in a way that contradicts their own headline?
Yep, you too have been quaaluded.
Muhammad Rasheed - My favorite part is where they updated the page post-disposition leak. ;)
Muhammad Rasheed - I haven't come across anything saying he gave women drugs without them knowing. All the cases I've read were like the above, where the women took the drugs offered with no issue. I don't know if people still offer folk drugs like that or not (not including old players like Hef), but it seems unlikely in this more aware era where people might be more wary of such things. But then again people still have sex raw despite full knowledge of the dangers of AIDs, so who knows? What is for sure is that Cosby's swingers' era was infamous for being MUCH more free regarding sex/drugs/dating, and people did take drugs casually when offered. To believe without proof that Cosby slipped drugs into women’s' drinks is silly to me, and to add to the public court that it was true is irresponsible.
Jeremy Travis - Was he suggesting that Spanish Fly was put onto the head of a pin and then dropped into a girl's can of Coke and she would drink it WILLINGLY?
You ain't NEVER heard of no bunch of women needing a drop of some drug so that they could have consensual sex with a famous, wealthy man whom they found attractive. Do you even know how women work?
Jeremy Travis - ^^^ Muhammad ^^^
Muhammad Rasheed - See response below, since I'm not retyping that in this part.
Muhammad Rasheed - I'm 100% for women's rights, but I do not believe in burning Cosby just because he makes a convenient & valuable high-profile face for their cause ("Let's get him! It doesn't matter if he turns out to be innocent! Let him take one for the team! Fuck 'em! WOMEN POWER!"). I am not likely to accept a "Dude! Everyone knows he did it! Just accept it!" proposal just because it's the popular thing to do.
Those Michael Jackson allegations prove to me, without a shadow of a doubt, that the court of public opinion + gossip hungry speculation is completely full of shit.
Lana Andrade - This is dangerously close to victim blaming.
While I do feel some type of way about Cosby being the poster child of sexual abuse while Woody Allen is still seen as a genius to some, I just can't shake my frustration at the outright refusal to discuss sexual abuse in the black community.
Muhammad Rasheed - I would cheerfully swap Cosby with Allen on the chopping block of judge/jury/execution that the court of public opinion is casting.
Lana, in this case I do not believe I am engaged in victim blaming by virtue of not believing these people are victims. This is no less than a cash cow predatory business effort by one Dolores M. Troiani, designed to enrich herself and those that she can convince to sign onto this high-profle grifting scam with her (naturally I will expect her to magically pocket the bulk of the settlement should she win). I've been watching the case with interest, but have yet to see anything that actually suggests otherwise.
Lana Andrade - I said dangerously close… what about Beverly Johnson? What does she have to gain?
Muhammad Rasheed - From what I can tell... taken from a counter to her allegation by the model Iman... she joined in the group settlement because she was still bitter over being passed over for a part in his production company. So she would gain an over-the-top vengeance from a petty diva, is what it seems like.
Muhammad Rasheed - I know that sounds bad from me, but that's what it looks like.
Lana Andrade - Ok
Muhammad Rasheed - lol
It's not like I don't understand the side that wants to burn Cosby based on "All of these allegations looks bad on him! He must've done it!" because that's how people function. But I prefer to side with Jill Scott's early stance on it, seeing it as the more mature. I don't want to sacrifice an innocent to make sure that the women's rights movement gets its due when there are plenty of actual high-profile villains to choose from.
Jeremy Travis - It has nothing to do with scarificing anyone for women's rights, as if the women's rights movement is some sort of pagan god, it's all about how a guy admitted to drugging women's drinks so that they would be knocked out and he could rape them them in the meantime. I guarantee that if you were to ask a thousand women who were in their sexual prime in the 70s how often they let a man put something that powerful in their drink so that they could have consensual sex with him they'd look at you like you were the damnedest of fools.
Muhammad Rasheed - Meanwhile he didn't admit to drugging women's drinks. He said, similar to the Hef incident above, that the drugs were offered and taken consensually. I'm open to studying the material you can provide that states otherwise. I know all the memes, jokes, and parodies back up your opinion, but I'll need to see something that functions more along the lines of proof.
Jeremy Travis - Did you not see the video I posted a few minutes ago?
Muhammad Rasheed - Yes. In the Larry King Live interview he's describing a mythical urban drug called "spanish fly" that functions as an aphrodisiac. One tiny dot of it, that can fit on the end of a pin, would make the woman fall for you. In the interview he said that he and the neighborhood youngsters were searching for the drug like the legendary quest for the fountain of youth. Perhaps the scary music made you think he was talking about date rape?
Kyle Baker - Thank Heaven this video has scary music, or I might not know how to feel.
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