Rasheed, Muhammad. "The Bullying Troll Antics of My Devoted 'Allies'." Cartoon. The Official Website of Cartoonist M. Rasheed 21 Oct 2020. Pen & ink w/Adobe Photoshop color.
Chris Rogers II - Pan Africans and Moors are not the same...
Muhammad Rasheed - True. Unfortunately, they have the same rap when it comes to critiquing the ADOS activists against politically unifying along our unique lineage & heritage, so they function the same.
Chris Rogers II - As a Pan African... I do not agree with that..
Muhammad Rasheed - I appreciate you. I wish your voice was louder in this regard.
Chris Rogers II - now with that said... I don't really agree with the ADOS movement.. because the African American struggle is connected the African struggle across the globe... and I'll be damned if I wave that imperialistic red white and blue flag...
Muhammad Rasheed - The ADOS movement is all about the Black American former slave class politically unifying so we can lobby for Reparations and economic inclusion. If we don't do this, we'll continue to be scattered and exploited by rival groups. It doesn't make sense to be against the ADOS movement unless you aren't ADOS and you just don't want us to succeed as a hostile rival.
Chris Rogers II - Pan Africans believe we should get reparations as well... we also believe in building a self sufficient African economy, organizing and gaining political power that will benefit all peoples of African people across the globe...
The people of the ADOS movement has been hostile to all groups, especially Pan Africans...
Muhammad Rasheed - As soon as we started coming together a few years ago to advocate for ourselves, the immigrant community started attacking us for it and trying to talk us out of it. Many high profile immigrant tied celebrities started falsely calling us "russian bots" trying to smear us and sabotage our movement. They refused to listen to reason and our arguments in trying to defend ourselves are now being considered attacks against THEM. This is unacceptible.
ADOS doesn't have a problem with other Black nationalities getting their rightful reparations from the specific European governments they were colonized by, but the USA Reparations is for us under our own specific justice claim. trying to force your way into our claim just looks like you're shooting a move in a confidence scam.
Chris Rogers II - Can't expect these white people to give us money... that is unlikely to happen.. A unified african people is the only way for African people to get free.. all of our cultures and struggles are intertwined. no need to seperate that on any level..
Muhammad Rasheed - Your message appears to be that I shouldn't try to do what my white supremacist enemy is working to prevent me from doing.
My rival Black diaspora groups are already separate; they proudly rep the national flags of the colonized countries of their birth while hypocritically scowling at me for repping my own national flag. That kind of contradictory mix-messaging -- combined with their Day One hostility when they saw me finally unifying to fight for my own ethnic group's needs by pressuring my own government -- makes it difficult to take what you say at face value.
Chris Rogers II - I didn't say anything of those things.... but that flag you wave, with those european imperialistic colors do not represent me or the black people of this nation.. They represent the british and european americans that went around the world enslaving and killing our people
There are no rival groups... we're all one people.. no need to be decisive.. our struggles and cultures are too intertwined to seperate us..
Muhammad Rasheed - Chris wrote: "I didn't say anything of those things...."
Sure, you did. Why hide from it now? Because you don;t like the way it sounds when I rephrase it in straight talk? Why?
Chris wrote: "but that flag you wave, with those european imperialistic colors do not represent me or the black people of this nation."
Yes, it does. Becuse the Black American descendants of slavery built this nation and fought in every single war. It's soil was baptized in our blood, sweat & tears. This is my country, both the good and the bad.
Chris wrote: "They represent the british and european americans that went around the world enslaving and killing our people"
The colors that the rest of the Black diaspora proudly represent parallel the same. How come those flags don't piss you off just as much?
Chris wrote: "There are no rival groups..."
They ACT like rival groups. They called me a "russian bot" for literally doing nothing but advocating for my ethnic group's needs. Does that sound like my friend & brother to you?
Chris Rogers II - I never told you to stop fighting for what you believe in... what are you talking about..
but more power to you black man... keep waiving you red white and blue flag... we have our own flag... The Pan African flag that was designed for us by us and represent the unity of African people world wide...
Most of the flags flown in the diaspora have been changed, some haven't because those countries are still external members of their enslaved countries (with the exception of Haiti) and yes, I'm offended by any red, white and blue flag... our forefather were enslaved, raped and killed under those colors.. we've fought in these wars with the promise of freedom, not because our people loved this country.. black people join the military for a better life, as my mother did... but to sit here and say that white people flag represent us is a fallacy..
Muhammad Rasheed - I built this country and have lived here for 400 yrs. It's not a "white people flag."
You're giving them too much power and handing over our contributions to them. THAT'S the fallacy.
I used to care about pan-africanism, until these rival groups showed their true colors when they saw me fighting for myself as a unified political group.
Chris Rogers II - I don't understand why you're referring to other African people as rivals? That's nothing but division and hate.. Pan Africans are about unity and love.. togetherness, community and family... not competing against each other as these Europeans have programmed us to do...
Muhammad Rasheed - Because they ACT like rivals. It doesn't matter what you say when actions speak far louder than empty rhetoric.
You don't get to call me a "russian bot" on behalf of white supremacy, just for advocating for my group's specific needs from my own governmnet, and pretend to be my friend at the same time.
Chris Rogers II - But the fact is the russians troll farms has used the moniker #ADOS to infiltrate and misinform the black community.. that is a fact and that has happened..
Nobody out here acting like rivals... Pan Africans are out here building schools and communities and unifying black people around the world with our hands in nearly every struggle, trying to better our people's situation
Muhammad Rasheed - Chris wrote: "Nobody out here acting like rivals..."
You're LITERALLY acting like my rival by being against #ADOS. That's what a rival would do. #ADOS is in my ethnic group's best interest -- me fighting for me -- but you hate that. Like a rival. Make it make sense.
Chris wrote: "Pan Africans are out here [...] trying to better our people's situation"
The pan-africanists have not bettered my sitiuation as the Black American former slave class group. I'm worse off now than I was 50 yrs ago. So you've been bettering everybody but me and at my expense.
Chris Rogers II - look at our statements...
I'm using a lot of we and us ... I'm speaking on unity and bringing people together...
you're using a lot of I and myself statements... very self centered.. very divisive
that's why ADOS is a dying "movement"
Muhammad Rasheed - There's chapters in every major city, awareness is spreading, numbers are growing, and we're getting laws passed through the force of our grassroots pressure on the government... which is what we SHOULD have been doing the last 50 yrs instead of allowing ourselves to be played by that pan-african confidence trick.
What does "dying" mean in your universe?
Muhammad Rasheed - Your rhetoric is shallow with nothing to back it up.
Chris Rogers II - Listen.. I'm not here to be battling and going to war with my people or to argue.. thats not my style and that not the Pan African way... I'm not even on here speaking rhetoric or using talking points.. I haven't opened up one book on this thread.. . I don't need to do any of that.. I'm here having a conversation about unity and bringing people together... none of this divisive talk.. Pan African confidence trick? dude.. we got schools and communities out here... The RBG flag is being flown in almost every country..
I'm done tho... be blessed beloved.
Muhammad Rasheed - Chris wrote: "I'm not even on here speaking rhetoric or using talking points."
Meanwhile, that's all you did.
Telling the Black American former slave class not to stand up and politically unify for himself in his own country is doing the white supremacist's work for him. It makes you my rival at best, and the dedicated support class of my enemy at worst. You've certainly said a lot during this conversation, but your actions as a pan-africanist have proven you are against my political and economic empowerment and you always have been.
Chris Rogers II - I didn't say none of that and I am not against your political and economic development..
What are you talking about..
Muhammad Rasheed - And you think it's funny, which is probably the most honest you've been yet.
Chris Rogers II - I think its funny that you're putting words in my mouth...
I have no idea what you're talking about ...
Muhammad Rasheed - Chris wrote: "I am not against your political and economic development."
#ADOS is for my political and economic development and uplift, and yet you have NOTHING but negative to say about it.
Somewhere there's a discrepency.
Chris Rogers II - only thing I said about it ADOS is that its a dying "movement"
outside of that... I haven't said one thing about ADOS ..
o and I talked that red white and blue flag..
Muhammad Rasheed - So you spoke death over the growing movement, and you said you didn't agree with it because you don't like Old Glory.
Is this supposed to make me ignore the negative effects of your pan-africanism upon my community during the 'integration' era's half century of political disenfranchisement and increased poverty?
Chris Rogers II - Okay... so...
You're speaking about the civil rights movement and not UNIA or Marcus Garvey and we're just going to ignore the intellectual works of Pan Africans such as WEB du Bois and Booker T Washington? Or ignore the work of Stockley Carmichael and the Brother Huey P Newton and Black Panthers.. Pan African and Pan African leaders made the most contributions in this country to better out people... and Pan Africanism is pro segregation
Muhammad Rasheed - lol Yes, I am going to ignore the activism of the leaders of the civil rights era, because the 2nd and 3rd tier "leaders" who survived J. Edgar Hoover's assassination era were nothing like those leaders and were CLEARLY compromised by Western intelligence. That's why your pan-africanist confience trick has literally done nothing at all for the ADOS community during the entirety of so-called 'Integration.'
Mark Obbanya - Never heard a U.S.-born ADOS refer to a group as “you lot.” Who wrote that dialogue?
Muhammad Rasheed - So all Black Americans across the country in all regional dialects sound the same when they talk, huh, "Obbanya?"
Does that conflict with your ADOS mimicry training?
Mark Obbanya - Of course not. I asked you a question. You didn’t answer it. And why is my name in quotes?
Muhammad Rasheed - Because your question was insulting by its nature, and the fact that your last name appears to be African language derived provides insight into why you would ask it.
Especially now, in this clime and in this thread.
Muhammad Rasheed - "Of course not" conflicts with the spirit of your original question.
Mark Obbanya - Take it how you like. I’m the child of an African-born African and a U.S.-born ADOS. I’ve done lots of traveling within and without the U.S. My question was based on my own life experience and I don’t assume that it’s everyone’s. I have seen many many U.K.-educated Africans weighing in on U.S. politics in social media lately. But you’re insulted? I’m not out here trying to sow discord, bruh. Relax and answer the question.
Muhammad Rasheed - Your question was based on an anecdotal logical fallacy.
#ADOS isn't trying to sow discord, but only to unify the Black American former slave class for effective radical political activism so our special interest group can pressure our government for our long overdue debt and economic inclusion.
For some reason the immigrant community has a severe problem with this goal of ours, that is none of their business, and have been attacking us continuously in the 3 yrs since the #ADOS movement's founding.
Muhammad Rasheed - Your question is insulting by its nature, and I've dismissed it out of hand.
Please go away.
Mark Obbanya - All of that might be true. And you might also be both over-analyzing and over-reacting. LOL. You posted content to be seen, read, and commented on. That’s the page purpose and format. I didn’t critique ADOS movement goals or any of that...but if I had, that’s an inherent part of creating and sharing political art with humans. My experience is not an immigrants so address that with someone who is. Culturally, I am ADOS. And right now you are responding to my comment thread, remember?
All because the dialogue didn’t ring true. Self-editing your own work is great for ego...not so much for effective messaging though. You went on a rant. I would have come directly to the point had you not turned it into a conversation. For all I know there’s a U.S. region where American descendants of enslaved Africans use vernacular like “you lot”...real talk. Or maybe there’s not, but you spent formative years in Liverpool and some of the colloquialisms stuck even after you got back stateside...this is real shit. Maybe the art was commissioned for a Londoner? I could respect all of that. It was a valid question.
I write, Black man. I’m on a page about art and writing. Get off my response if you don’t like participation. It’s not personal. We don’t know each other.
Muhammad Rasheed - Mark wrote: "All of that might be true.”
It is true.
Mark wrote: "And you might also be both over-analyzing
I am not.
Mark wrote: "LOL.”
Mark wrote: "You posted content to be seen, read, and
I sure did.
Mark wrote: "That’s the page purpose and format.”
Mark wrote: "I didn’t critique ADOS movement goals or
any of that...”
Sure, you did. Questioning the authenticity of the verbiage
was your passive-aggressive way of doing so.
Mark wrote: "but if I had, that’s an inherent part of
creating and sharing political art with humans.”
Mark wrote: "My experience is not an immigrants so
address that with someone who is.”
You admitted you hold immigrant ties. Passive-aggressive and
even more froggy online responses to the movement most often come from people
with immigrant ties.
Mark wrote: "Culturally, I am ADOS.”
lol Culturally, you are a caricature of what you believe is
ADOS based on your original comment.
Mark wrote: "And right now you are responding to my
comment thread, remember?”
Right now you are commenting underneath my cartoon.
Mark wrote: "All because the dialogue didn’t ring true.”
Didn’t ring true to what? A “black character” script written
by a room of white Jewish writers that you’ve apparently studied to gain Black American
authenticity? Did you attend the same training
course Obama did?
Mark wrote: "Self-editing your own work is great for
ego...not so much for effective messaging though.”
You’re saying that because I didn’t make the dialogue “ring
true” to ears of an immigrant-tied, passive-aggressive dude who resents the
idea of ADOS political empowerment, that the message wasn’t effective. smh
Mark wrote: "You went on a rant. I would have come
directly to the point had you not turned it into a conversation.”
Your style is “passive-aggressive,” so coming to the point
appears to be beyond your powers.
Mark wrote: "For all I know there’s a U.S. region where
American descendants of enslaved Africans use vernacular like ‘you lot’...real
Or maybe the individual artist just wrote it that way
because he felt like writing it that way drawn from the pool of his own personal
literary and cultural influences and interests. *shrug*
Mark wrote: "Or maybe there’s not, but you spent
formative years in Liverpool and some of the colloquialisms stuck even after
you got back stateside...this is real shit. Maybe the art was commissioned for
a Londoner? I could respect all of that. It was a valid question.”
Okay. Is this the “I would have come directly to the point”
part that you should have led with in the beginning? lol It seems like it. Next
time just make a habit of getting to the point. That’ll be great.
No, it wasn’t commissioned by a Londoner. I wrote it. No, I
never spent time in Liverpool.
Mark wrote: "I write, Black man.”
So, everyone who writes does so exactly the same way from the
exact same pool of influences and the exact same templates then? Because I’m
pretty sure that’s not the case.
Mark wrote: "I’m on a page about art and writing. Get
off my response if you don’t like participation.”
Here’s the thing: You don’t get to determine how I respond
to comments under my cartoons. If your comment came across a certain way, and I
respond back to it in kind, then that’s that. That’s the reality of the
participation. We can choose to walk it
done until a point of civil understanding is reached and we both discover that
you should have just led with your ‘Liverpool’ question to begin with, or not.
Mark wrote: "It’s not personal. We don’t know each
Does it have to be? I
‘Blocked’ my own brother for being a jackass…
Maksim Izimov - It's like complaining about having no money but refusing to work for it...
Muhammad Rasheed - How?
Maksim Izimov - You have people who complain, and people who actually do something about it.
Muhammad Rasheed - The #ADOS political unification movement has built grassroot organizations in every major US city within th elast thre years of its founding and has pressured local government for long overdue policies that the previous generation dropped the ball on. We definitely are doing something about the problems.
Your comments seem to be woefully uninformed as well as mysteriously hostile to Black people. Please explain.
Maksim Izimov - First I'm not being hostile to anyone. I'm more curious about what you have done not the ADOS...
Muhammad Rasheed - The entire point of the cartoon and the accompanying thread discussion is political, specifically the political uplift of an entire special interest group with an estimated 32 million population. The reason US citizens do politics is for the economic uplift of the group, not at the individual level.
I don't know how politics functions in Russia, but here your attempt to make this about me functions as a misdirection/deflection attempt in a thread about group politics.
Maksim Izimov - Ok I'm done...
Michael Forsyth - There are a lot of advantages to all Black Americans uniting regardless of their backgrounds. There's only one advantage to descendants of slaves carving out a separate identity and that is the possibility that somewhere down the line those of us who can prove our ancestry will get reparations checks from the government. But there is no reason to believe that white Americans will ever agree to pay out trillions of dollars for that!
Muhammad Rasheed - There are no advantages for a politically disunited and economically excluded ADOS inside of a united Black diaspora. It would mean the other Black ethnic groups, who ARE united as independent political identity groups, would exploit us and make us the bondsman mule class, the same way the Democratic Party rival liberal groups treat us now.
Beyond advocating for Reparations and our economic uplift, there are obvious advantages for ADOS to remain a politically unified group lobbying for our unique needs along our lineage & heritage. The fact that every single African immigrant group has a separarate nationality/ethnicity centered sub-immigrant association organization to lobby for their specific needs is the clue to this fact.
Michael Forsyth -As for "militant" blacks on social media encouraging us to withhold our votes on Election Day. Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump send their thanks.
Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "encouraging us to withhold our vote on election day"
Who is "us?"
If you hold immigrant ties and/or are homosexual, then you will probably benefit from the Biden/Harris ticket. It is only the Black American former slave class that they snub, exploit and abuse. This is the group I'm advising to vote Democratic Party down ballot with a focused vote boycott strategy. This is the group that needs to do something different or we will only continue to be snubbed, exploited and abused in the system with no end in sight until we are eventually returned to shackles "for our own good." We cannot afford to blindly vote party as usual with nothing in return and must do something different. You have provided zero insights in this regard, and your "advice" will only further hurt us.
: Scanned pen & ink cartoon drawing w/Adobe Photoshop color.
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