Shane Gallup – [Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X]
were both vehicles of change! American as a nation could truly be and I still
pray will be "one nation under God"
Kimberly Moseberry - @Shane Gallup... the founding
fathers didn't believe in god.
Shane Gallup - True... In this case my views and hopes.
Muhammad Rasheed - Kimberly Moseberry wrote:
"the founding fathers didn't believe in god."
They did (except possibly for Washington), they just didn't adhere to a strict acceptance of the Christian "Apostle's Creed." Many strict Christians opted to toss them in the atheist group for not believing in the Judeo-Christian doctrine the specific way they wanted them to, but they certainly believed in God.
They did (except possibly for Washington), they just didn't adhere to a strict acceptance of the Christian "Apostle's Creed." Many strict Christians opted to toss them in the atheist group for not believing in the Judeo-Christian doctrine the specific way they wanted them to, but they certainly believed in God.
Kimberly Moseberry - George Washington nor did the few
others. Don't believe me. Look it up.
Muhammad Rasheed - I did look it up,
Kimberly. That’s why I know.
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James Watkins – [True
or False: The Founding Fathers of The United States were Christians who formed
a government based on godly principles.] That’s a more complex answer. The “revisionist left” would like
to make them secular and the “religious right” would like to make them saintly.
Let’s take a look at some of the more prominent Founding Father’s beliefs . . .
in their own words.
John Adams
The second President (or tenth if you consider John Hanson the
first) wrote to Thomas Jefferson on June 28, 1813:
The general principles on which the fathers achieved
independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity. . . . I will
avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of
Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of
God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature.
However, Adams is often quoted as saying, “This would be the
best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!” However, here’s
the complete quotation in an April 19, 1817, letter to Thomas Jefferson:
Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on
the point of breaking out, “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if
there were no religion at all!!!” But in this exclamation I would have been as
fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion, this world would be
something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell.
As a Unitarian, Adams flatly denied the doctrine of eternal
punishment, believing all would eventually enter heaven. (Many Unitarians
reject the Trinity and most accept all religions as valid expressions of
faith.) But being a good Unitarian, he was certainly open to the teachings of
Christ.
Jesus is benevolence personified, an example for all men. .
. . The Christian religion, in its primitive purity and simplicity, I have
entertained for more than sixty years. It is the religion of reason, equity,
and love; it is the religion of the head and the heart (Letter to F.A. Van Der
Kemp, December 27, 1816).
During Adam’s administration the Senate ratified the 1797
Treaty of Peace and Friendship with Tripoli, which states in Article XI that
“the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on
the Christian Religion.” Some view this as “a smoking gun” that America was not
founded as a Christian nation, while others argue that it was simply a
concession to the Muslim nation (when the treaty was renegotiated eight years
later, Article XI was dropped).
Samuel Adams
Samuel Adams organized the Boston Tea Party, and served as
Governor of Massachusetts, a delegate to the Continental congress, and a signer
of the Declaration of Independence.
In his 1772 work, The Rights of the Colonists, Adams wrote:
II. The Rights of the Colonists as Christians.
The right to freedom being the gift of the Almighty…The
rights of the colonists as Christians…may be best understood by reading and
carefully studying the institutions of The Great Law Giver and Head of the
Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the
New Testament.
In his Last Will and Testament he wrote:
Principally, and first of all, I resign my soul to the
Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying on the
merits of Jesus Christ for the pardon of my sins.
Benjamin Franklin
In his autobiography, Franklin describes himself as “a thorough
Deist.” “I began to be regarded, by pious souls, with horror, either as an
apostate or an Atheist.”
According to a Deist publication, a Deist is “One who
believes in the existence of a God or supreme being but denies revealed
religion, basing his belief on the light of nature and reason.” Deists reject
the Judeo-Christian accounts of God as well as the Bible. They do believe that
God is eternal and good, but flatly reject having a relationship with Him
through Christ.
Franklin certainly believed in the providence of God. In his
famous speech to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on June 28,
1787:
I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the
more convincing proofs I see of this truth•that God governs in the affairs of
men… If a sparrow cannot fall to the ground unseen by him, is it probable an
empire could arise without his aid? I firmly believe this, and I also believe
that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building not
better than the builders of Babel.
Just five months before his death, he wrote to Dr. Stiles,
the President of Yale, who had questioned Franklin about his faith:
I believe in one God, the Creator of the universe; that he
governs it by his Providence; that be ought to be worshiped; that the. most
acceptable service we can render to him is doing good to his other children;
that the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another
life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points
of all sound religion, and I regard them as you do, in whatever sect I meet
with them. As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire,
I think his system of morals and his religion, as be left them to us, the best
the world ever saw, or is like to see; but I apprehend it has received various
corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England,
some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize
upon, having never studied it.
Alexander Hamilton
The Episcopalian authored many of the Federalist Papers,
signed the Constitution, and became the first Secretary of the Treasury. In an
April 1802 letter to James A. Bayard, Hamilton proposed The Christian
Constitutional Society:
In my opinion, the present constitution is the standard to
which we are to cling. Under its banner bona fide must we combat our political
foes, rejecting all changes but through the channel itself provided for
amendments. By these general views of the subject have my reflections been
guided. I now offer you the outline of the plan they have suggested. Let an
association be formed to be denominated “The Christian Constitutional Society,”
its object to be first: The support of the Christian religion. second: The
support of the United States.
Hamilton was shot and killed by Aaron Burr in a duel on July
12, 1804. His last dying words reportedly were:
I have a tender reliance on the mercy of the Almighty,
through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a sinner. I look to Him for
mercy; pray for me.
Patrick Henry
Best known for his “give me liberty or give me death” speech
on March 23, 1775, he became the first governor of Virginia.
One of his most famous quotations, cannot be verified,
although it’s used by many Christian ministers: “It cannot be emphasized too
strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists,
but by Christians; not on religions but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!” It’s
not found anywhere in his recorded writings or speeches.
However, here’s a verified quotation from a letter to his
daughter dated August 20, 1796:
Amongst other strange things said of me, I hear it is said
by the deists that I am one of the number; and indeed, that some good people
think I am no Christian. This thought gives me much more pain than the
appellation of Tory; because I think religion of infinitely higher importance
than politics; and I find much cause to reproach myself that I have lived so
long, and have given no decided and public proofs of my being a Christian. But,
indeed, my dear child, this is a character which I prize far above all this
world has, or can boast.
And in his will:
This is all the inheritance I give to my dear family. The
religion of Christ will give them one which will make them rich indeed.
John Jay
One of the authors of the Federalist Papers and first Chief
Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Jay wrote to Rev. Uzal Ogden, on February
14, 1796:
I have long been of opinion that the evidence of the truth
of Christianity requires only to be carefully examined to produce conviction in
candid minds. . . .
And in an April 23, 1811, letter to John Bristed, April 23,
1811, he wrote:
While in France . . . I do not recollect to have had more
than two conversations with atheists about their tenents. The first was this: I
was at a large party, of which were several of that description. They spoke
freely and contemptuously of religion. I took no part in the conversation. In
the course of it, one of them asked me if I believed in Christ? I answered that
I did, and that I thanked God that I did.
Thomas Jefferson
The writer of the Declaration of Independence and the third
President of the United States wrote to Charles Thomson in 1816:
I, too, have made a wee-little book from the same materials,
which I call the Philosophy of Jesus; it is a paradigma of his doctrines, made
by cutting the texts out of the book, and arranging them on the pages of a
blank book, in a certain order of time or subject. A more beautiful or precious
morsel of ethics I have never seen; it is a document in proof that I am a real
Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.
Jefferson was a Deist who respected Christ’s teachings, but
rejected His divinity, His miracles, and His resurrection. In a letter to
William Short dated April 13, 1820, he wrote:
I am a Materialist.
Among the sayings and discourses imputed to [Jesus] by His
biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of
the most lovely benevolence; and others, again, of so much ignorance, so much
absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture, as to pronounce it
impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same Being.
I separate, therefore, the gold from the dross; restore to Him the former, and
leave the latter to the stupidity of some, and roguery of others of His
disciples. Of this band of dupes and impostors, Paul was the great . . . corruptor
of the doctrines of Jesus.
In separating Jesus divine and human natures, Jefferson
wrote to John Adams, January 24, 1814 that the divine aspects of Christ were
“the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as
to pick out diamonds from dunghills.”
And so he compiled The Jefferson Bible: The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth Extracted Textually from the Gospels. Jefferson
simply cut out anything of a supernatural or miraculous nature and so his Bible
ends:
Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen
cloths with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury. Now in the place
where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre,
wherein was never man yet laid. There laid they Jesus, And rolled a great stone
to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.
George Washington
The first President’s faith is a bit harder to pin down.
Many Christian writers and commentators point to
Washington’s twenty-four page manuscript book, titled, Daily Sacrifice. It
was found in April 1891 among a collection of Washington’s papers in his
confirmed handwriting when he was about the age of twenty. In it he prays:
Bless my family, kindred, friends and country, be our God
& guide this day and for ever for his sake, who lay down in the Grave and
arose again for us, Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen.
. . . in and for the sacrifice of Jesus Christ offered upon
the cross for me; for his sake, ease me of the burden of my sins, and give me
grace that by the call of the Gospel I may rise from the slumber of sin into
the newness of life.
Let me live according to those holy rules which thou hast
this day prescribed in thy holy word; make me to know what is acceptable in thy
holy word; make me to know what is acceptable in thy sight, and therein to
delight, open the eyes of my understanding, and help me thoroughly to examine
myself concerning my knowledge, faith and repentance, increase my faith, and
direct me to the true object Jesus Christ the way, the truth and the life, bless
O Lord, all the people of this land, from the highest to the lowest,
particularly those whom thou has appointed to rule over us in church &
state. continue thy goodness to me this night. These weak petitions I humbly
implore thee to hear accept and ans. for the sake of thy Dear Son Jesus Christ
our Lord, Amen.
In his Speech to Delaware Indian Chiefs on May 12, 1779,
Washington said:
You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life
and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and
happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you
in this wise intention.
However, during his presidency (1789-1797) and in his later
life, Washington is not recorded referring to Jesus Christ and rarely to God. He
preferred titles such as “the Divine Author of our blessed Religion,” “Almighty
Being,” “Providence” and “Grand Designer” (all terms from Deist beliefs).
Washington also used the title “Supreme Architect” (a
Freemasonary term of which he became a devout member, served as the head of the
original Alexandria Lodge No. 22, and presided over the laying of the U.S.
Capitol in a Mason apron).
According to Bishop White, Washington’s pastor for nearly 25
years at the Protestant Episcopal Church of America, as well as Washington’s
adopted daughter Nelly Custis-Lewis, the President would leave the service
before communion was served. (The Eucharist or Holy Communion is considered an
essential part of salvation for Catholics and for many members of liturgical
churches.)
Lewis however defended her step-father’s faith in a letter:
I never witnessed his private devotions. I never inquired
about them. I should have thought it the greatest heresy to doubt his firm
belief in Christianity. His life, his writings, prove that he was a Christian.
He was not one of those who act or pray, “that they may be seen of men”
[Matthew 6:5]. He communed with his God in secret [Matthew 6:6].
Thomas Jefferson was less charitable:
James Watkins – So, were the Founding Fathers Christians?
They were certainly godly men who believed in a supreme
being, but not everyone would subscribe to the Apostles’ Creed [of
Christianity]. Both revisionists and the
religious right have tried to make the Founding Fathers fit their ideology. It
gives neither side of the debate any credibility when quotations are found to
be fictitious or grossly out of context.
For instance, I’ve seen articles proclaiming that Jefferson
claimed to be “a real Christian” while conveniently avoiding his opinion that
belief in Christ’s divinity was “dung” (see contexts above).
I am a subscriber to the Apostles’ Creed (I’ve had a
“subscription” since second grade). I would love to document that the most
prominent Founding Fathers were orthodox Christians.
However, I’m also a journalist who is committed to being an
OAF (Objective, Accurate, and Fair), so I have only included quotations where I
could find at least two collaborating, reliable sources.
So this essay continues to be a work in progress. If you
have a relevant quotation from one of the Founding Fathers regarding his faith
or find an error, please email me with at least two reliable sources. Thanks!
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