Giving the Fans What They Want

LaVerne Mack – [shared link]

LaVerne Mack – Ugh!! We always tear each other down before anyone else. If only we all could stand together on something; anything! Now she admits racism is still alive, so why not let the first lady's comments rock because that's basically all she was saying. Too easy. Thirst for the lime light or her own 

Jay Mac - I don't have the time or patience for those cooning negros......

Steve DelRay - Any Black person on Fox's comments are void.

Muhammad Rasheed - Stop reading & sharing that foolishness. Racists whites hate it when you bring up racial items, too. Should I be surprised when their slaves feel the same way? ("Wha's a matta, massa? WE sick?")

Muhammad Rasheed - Hi, LaVerne! How did you like the fight? As I recall you were one of those talkin' big trash as to what that peewee challenger was going to do.

So what happened?

LaVerne Mack - Wait... Did you just tell me to stop reading and sharing? Really??

Muhammad Rasheed - Stop trying to change the subject.  lol

LaVerne Mack - The fight Sucked! There was no fight... I think I through more punches in my last playground brawl. Waste of time and money! Total sham.

Muhammad Rasheed - LaVerne Mack wrote: "The fight Sucked! There was no fight..."

Oh. You're not a boxing fan. Sorry. I withdraw the question. 

Anyway, YEAH! Stop reading and sharing stupid stuff you find on the 'Net! It'll rot your brain!

LaVerne Mack - No.. Major fan. Have been since the age of 5. Don't assume. And my assessment stands - the fight sucked. Floyd collected a check. 

And don't tell me what to read or share!

Muhammad Rasheed - Oh, I'm not assuming. The fact that you said it wasn't a fight meant you didn't know what you were looking at, and only pretend to be a boxing fan. O_O

Muhammad Rasheed - tsk. smh

Jay Mac - It was a BORING boxing match. The biggest Heist known to man. A bamboozle. 

LOL!

Terrible.

Muhammad Rasheed - Jay Mac wrote: “It was a BORING boxing match."

That's what everybody says when their guy gets beat up in a one-sided match when they were SURE he was going to knock the other guy out.

Muhammad Rasheed - tsk. smh

Muhammad Rasheed - I thought it was very exciting.

LaVerne Mack - I don't pretend. Maybe pretending right now that I care about this conversation. But that's about it. We all know going in Floyd was solid on fundamentals, but if he's going to Bill the fight as fight of the century; and giving the fans what they want... Then fight the man.

Muhammad Rasheed - HA!

It was Manny's true believer fans that made it "The Fight of the Century" super-hype event. They are the ones that INSISTED their guy had exactly what it took to penetrate Floyd's celebrated defensive skills and corner him with a barrage of combos. In fact, it was this belief that they based their "ducking/chicken" comments on. Manny failed to make it happen. Floyd merely used the skills he trained all his life to master: Classic Boxing.

Are you REALLY suggesting that the champion lessen himself to fight down to an inferior challenger's ability? lol And you claim to be a boxing fan, huh?

Muhammad Rasheed - tsk. smh

Jay Mac - Snooze.

I almost dozed off in the 5th round.

I was taking NoDoze and drinking coffee.

LOL!

Muhammad Rasheed - I know, because you were mad and disappointed that Manny was unable to do anything beyond what Floyd's normal walk-in-the-park opponents have done in the past. Once you saw that you had indeed bet on the wrong horse, you turned away in disgust and didn’t want to see anymore. I understand. awwww...

Muhammad Rasheed - Next time you'll listen to Uncle Muhammad.

Muhammad Rasheed - LaVerne Mack wrote: "...and giving the fans what they want..."

I'm a Floyd fan and he gave me exactly what I wanted. I expected the champion to use his natural advantages, and his hard-won skills, to dominate, and he did so. 

It was Manny who failed to give HIS fans what they wanted. As both the shorter man with the natural disadvantage, and the challenger, it was Pacquiao's job to take the big risks; to get inside the Classic Boxer's reach where he had a shot of winning by fighting on the inside. It was NOT Floyd's job to help Manny do HIS job. Hence the word "fight." Manny's job was to take the big risks and FORCE the champion to fight his way and demonstrate to his fans that he was a better inside fighter/brawler than Floyd was a Classic Boxer. 

He failed. And that's why he failed.

Funny how you didn't seem to know this even though you insist that you are really, truly, gosh-golly for real an actual boxing fan.

Muhammad Rasheed - Perhaps you should read more boxing books, and less FoxNews coonery?

Chris Ray - Because a person doesn't appreciate Floyd's style, that means they aren't a fan of the sport? So becasue Tim Duncan is incredibly fundamentally sound, but I'd rather see Steph Curry fire away, I'm not a basketball fan? Floyd is a great boxer. Floyd's fight are also boring, if you want to see more than counter punches and defense.

LaVerne Mack - How about you delete my posts or skip over them. The Coon you see in others is actually the one staring at you in the mirror. You are no different from the woman on Fox that I posted about.

Muhammad Rasheed - @Chris... I would consider you to not be a fan of the sport if you proclaimed that there was no basketball game because Tim Duncan was doing his thing and not Curry. I think there's a difference between preferring one style over another, versus saying there was no fight at all. Someone who considers him/herself a "fan" should at least be able to appreciate the game on a high level.

Muhammad Rasheed - @LaVerne... Is this how you counter the accusation that you aren't a real fan of the sport? By calling me names? No boxing jargon or nothing? lol

Muhammad Rasheed - I know you are mad that Pacquiao lost, and I told you I was going to come back and clown you when it happened because of all the big trash you talked. No need to get nasty.

Muhammad Rasheed - Chris Ray wrote: "Floyd's fight are also boring, if you want to see more than counter punches and defense."

Isn't that what the other guy is for? There ARE two people involved in the boxing match though. If one of them is counter-punching & defending, doesn't that mean that somebody else is punching first & offending? The level of excitement is generated from how bad that one wants it. It's also generated by five years of talking shit until finally the champion makes the shit talkers eat their words.

Chris Ray - An exciting fight is exciting to all those viewing the bout. Even if Pac got his block knocked off, it would have been much better than the hug fest for the and the jogging that went on for about 9 rounds. I understand the concept of hitting and not being hit. Yet, when the fight is over and both fighters can go to the club without needing some Advil and and ice, to me, that's boring. And yes, Pac could have contributed to making the fight more exciting, it wasn't not all May's fault. But I've watched many of Floyd's fights, and most end the same way. Again, great tactician, but when I watch boxing, I want to see somebody doing the wabble before the fight is over.

Muhammad Rasheed - Chris Ray wrote: "An exciting fight is exciting to all those viewing the bout."

I'm just saying that if people are bored because it doesn't look like what they see in Rocky, or some other fictionalized version of it designed for the layperson, just maybe they should stop pretending they are "fans" and watch hobo street fights on YouTube instead.

Chris Ray wrote: "Even if Pac got his block knocked off, it would have been much better than the hug fest for the and the jogging that went on for about 9 rounds."

I agree that watching Pacquiao getting the crap knocked out of him -- with his family watching at ringside -- would've been awesome. But it was 100% the challenger's job to take the risk to put himself in that position. Is Pacquiao unaware that the Classic Boxer with the height advantage will absolutely attempt to keep the shorter fighter at the end of his jab, and tie him up whenever he gets close enough to infight where he stands a chance of winning? Of course he knows that. Okay, then where was The Chosen One's strategy for how he was going to neutralize these Classic Boxer tactics that every Classic Boxer in the universe performs?

No where.

The reason the fight wasn't as exciting as hoped was because the legions of Pacquiao fans put all of their hopes & dreams into this lesser fighter to do what so many others failed to do, and he came up short and hurt their feelings. If Manny was as good as you all said he was these last five years, then the fight would've been as exciting as you wanted it to be.

Chris Ray - Hahaha. Spoken like a true Mayweather fan. The dude's fights are boring, period point blank. That's awesome that he's getting paid well and charting his own destiny in the sport, but I simply don't like it. Give me a dude with some KO power and his quickness, and you have me as a fan. But that whites of the gloves Olympic points accumulation creates a yawn fest for me. The Memphis Grizzlies are a great team, but I would rather watch G State's free flowing style than Memphis with that rock fight setup. But hey, I don't like smash mouth football either.

Muhammad Rasheed - I am a Mayweather fan, and I am also a boxing student and fan of the discipline. Between Floyd and Roy Jones, Jr., I enjoyed Roy more because he was heavy-handed even when he moved up in weight (KO'ing Virgil Hill with a body shot! O_O ), but Roy lost me by staying in there long enough to allow himself to get pummeled by tomato cans. And now the undefeated little guy has my full backing as the pinnacle of what the sport has to offer. I think Floyd wears it well.

Chris Ray - I loved Roy, but like most, he did hang around too long. Floyd looks like he may get out unscathed, which is a testament to his work. He just doesn't do it for me. And the whole Money Team persona doesn't help win me over.

Muhammad Rasheed - Chris Ray wrote: "The dude's fights are boring, period point blank."

It's difficult to take subjective bias presented as definitive truths seriously. I don't find the high-level game boring. I love it.

What I hate are when fighters deliberately use less of their skills to appease the layperson. I find that kind of stuff boring. Primarily because I was never a fan of The Toughman Competition, and similar fake boxing exhibitions. I don't like watching the amateurs either, and prefer the skilled game.

Muhammad Rasheed - The Money Team thing is part of his marketing/promotion/merchandise business, and doesn't bother me either way. Similar to Ali's "I AM THE GREATEST!" he can do it all day for all of me as long as he can back it up. That's the only thing I care about.

Chris Ray - To each his own doctor.

The Champ Says No More Rewards for the Fake Hero Challenger

Muhammad Rasheed – Speaking to Jim Gray during an interview that will premiere on SHOWTIME this Saturday night, Mayweather called Pacquiao a "coward" and a "sore loser" before going on to say he has changed his mind about the possibility of that rematch.

Muhammad Rasheed - *APPROVED*

Fuck Manny’s camp.

Todd Holland - "What had happened was....." LOL!!! The hype for the "rematch" begins....

Derek Mason - So this dude hit women, but Manny's the coward ? Riiiiight

Karla Holland - ^^^^Thank you.

Todd Holland - I think he's an equal opportunity hitter......Not like he won't whip a dude's ass too.

Karla Holland - ^^^^Blocked.

Kristopher Militant Mosby - The last time Floyd hit a woman was May 2, 2015 in front of the whole world.

Adam Reilly - I wonder if that was the reason they had Manny played by a woman in that SNL skit. At times I have no idea if they are being racist or making subversive commentary. I am not sure they know either.

Kristopher Militant Mosby - Hahaha!!!! I don't watch SNL, so I have no idea. That's funny, though.

Muhammad Rasheed - Mayweather gets suspended sentence

Muhammad Rasheed – Floyd Mayweather Jr. agrees to plea deal, is sentenced to 90 days in jail on battery charges

Muhammad Rasheed – Floyd Mayweather Jr. sought in case

Kristopher Militant Mosby - Since making the business decision to shift gears and manage his own brand, every move Mayweather makes is intentional, calculated and three steps ahead of the boxing industry. More than mastering the craft, he’s mastered how to effectively market his movement.

Floyd Mayweather sells an unmatched work ethic, unparalleled dedication and an unwavering will to be the best ever. The other side of his brand flaunts an unapologetic bravado and brash delivery, excessively spending money and engaging in well-documented social media wars. His handling of the media is meticulously strategized and mapped out to mirror a specific marketing agenda. In the end, it all works in his favor, further solidifying his bullet-proof business model.

Mayweather approaches boxing as an entertainment enterprise, fueled by conflict, excitement and the desire of many to see a prideful champion fall from grace. Knowing this, he has embraced the bad boy persona artfully and made it his mission to eliminate the line between boxing and entertainment, making every experience in his career a combination of the two.

When you fully understand your brand, perfect your craft, outwork the competition and possess incredible skill – the only fate in front of you is an unbeatable one. Though there are several swirling debates spanning across social media, sports bars and barber shops nationwide as to where Mayweather ranks amongst best fighters of all time – one thing is certain: nobody has ever earned the name “Money” like Floyd Mayweather.

Floyd Mayweather: The Brilliant Business Behind Boxing's Undisputed King (Forbes)

Adam Reilly - There was an interesting documentary I watched which covers his incarceration and how he took control over his own career. It's called "Mayweather" and narrated by LL Cool J.

Hopefully it hasn't been removed yet.

Floyd Mayweather "Full Mayweather Documentary"

Muhammad Rasheed - As easy as it is to sit on the outside judging people that we don't know, and creating our own biased and twisted narrative of what we want to believe their lives are like, we really don't know what's going on with them. In the articles I posted above, there is more than enough material where the discerning reader can see other angles that make the situations much more complex than his unforgiving critics want to see.

Should he have hit these people? No. Do greedy people have a history of starting mess so they can hopefully win a large payout from a lawsuit? Yes. And a judge ordered Floyd to get some impulse control and therapy, and since the fighter/businessman has done so, he hasn't had any more of those incidents reported. There doesn't seem to be any real point to continue throwing that stuff in his face and calling him a coward all the time since he seems to have gotten past that stuff.

Meanwhile, despite Manny putting on the same performance of Floyd’s average opponent, with absolutely nobody attempting to ice this supposedly damaged shoulder during the fight, the Pacquiao camp refuses to admit they lost fair and square to the superior technician. This because admitting that he was out of his league would question the point of a rematch, and they wouldn’t want to miss out on that money, no. So he tries to manipulate Floyd into a rematch with more of the same bullshit Mayweather has heard from Manny and his fans for five years now. Refusing to acknowledge he lost, continuing with the childish taunts, means he absolutely doesn’t deserve that shot.

Todd Holland - I don't care much for Mayweather,but damn if I don't see a familiar "Friend" behind the level of the dislike....This yearning to see him "humbled" thing is ringing of the old "Uppity" Ni###r syndrome....If you don't like the guy,why give the dude $100 of your money??? Doesn't make sense UNLESS it was to see him "Put in his Place"...And if that's the case Floyd is a HELL of a lot smarter than his critics.

Fake Hero

Muhammad Rasheed - Has Pacquiao been in the habit of asking for this shot of toradol before every fight since he first started moving up in weight? Enabling him to walk through people's punches? Is that what started the rumors that he was juicing?

So his camp expected him to be able to do this before the Mayweather fight, it was refused, and he found he couldn't power through Floyd's counter rights, no more than his rival Juan Manuel Marquez could. So during the whole fight he was actually mad that he had to feel pain like a normal fighter, planning the strategy for a rematch using this fictitious shoulder injury so he could make sure he would get his toradol shot next time.

That's why all the top boxing analysts expressed confusion over what appeared to be a strange strategy for Pacquiao's camp to use against Floyd, because Roach didn't think it would matter as long as his guy got his magic shot. Floyd hasn't knocked anyone out in there since his lighter weight days, and isn't particularly heavy-handed, so they expected the toradol to be more effective than it usually is and for Pacquiao to dominate no matter what strategy he used.

And this character was supposed to be the hero of the story, eh? smh

The Experts Speak: Reactions to Mayweather vs Pacquiao

Max Kellerman

Dana White

Roy Jones, Jr.

Andre Ward

Bernard Hopkins

Mike Tyson

Johnny Nelson

Paulie Malignaggi

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Glenn Brewer - if i was a fighter, winning would be my primary objective, not entertaining the crowd. there are a lot of "warriors" out there who "who put on a show for the crowd" and "left it all in the ring" but can barely speak right now. if you get time check out the feature hob did on the fight between meldreic taylor and julio cesar chavez…

Julio Cesar Chavez vs. Meldrick Taylor - HBO - Legendary Nights - Documentary - Pt. 1

I think most people, even his detractors, agree that floyd one the fight. most even think that if he could win without taking risks, he should have. it's the smart thing to do.

but even though being exciting isn't the most important thing, it still is important. the charges of money "running" are just not true. good foot work is good footwork. but folks are tired all the hitting and holding and throwing one punch at a time. the bottom line is that floyd has gotten much more cautious over the years and folks are just not as entertained. and if folks aren't entertained, revenue drops. floyd repeatedly said he didn't need pac but i think he did. floyd's last two fights didn't even get 1 million buys. les moonves paid floyd a lot of money for that showtime deal and wanted a return on his investment. no one cared about money fighting anyone other than pac.

Muhammad Rasheed - 1.) The excitement came from the people who insisted Manny had all the tools and will to defeat Floyd finally getting the chance to see it happen. The energy of the hype build-up all the up to the first bell was the excitement. They're just pissed that their guy didn't take more risks to make it happen. When they say "it wasn't exciting" they mean "the guy I was rooting for didn't win." That's the excitement that made this the highest grossest boxing match of all time, the excitement of the drama surrounding it.

2.) The suggestion that the undefeated world champion should deliberately fight down to his opponent's level so that the lesser fighter will have a better chance at winning is an opinion I'd expect to come from a racist's mouth when trying to convince a dominant black champion to let the Great White Hope win "for the fans." It's not worth entertaining even for an instant. It was Manny's job to make it happen, not Floyd's job to coddle his sensitive enemies' feelings. Anyone at all who truly believes that the boxer should stop boxing and stand toe-to-toe and slug with his rival, is expressing an opinion that isn't worthy of respect.

3.) I agree that since the entire world thought that Manny was the Chosen One that could finally defeat Floyd, he needed to fight him to cement his legacy. But it was the Manny fans that made it so, not boxing itself. Floyd had a guaranteed $200 million payout from his 6-fight Showtime/CBS deal, so technically he DIDN'T need Manny. But part of that deal was that he could make well over that $200 million from the pay-per-view sales and the stadium ticket gate according to quality of opponent. Thanks to the over-zealous Manny true believers super-hype, they delivered such an opponent on a silver platter.

Glenn Brewer - "1.) The excitement came from the people who insisted many had all the tools and will to defeat Floyd finally getting the chance to see it happen. The energy of the hype build-up all the up to the first bell was the excitement. They're just pissed that their guy didn't take more risks to make it happen. When they say ‘it wasn't exciting’ they mean ‘the guy I was rooting for didn't win.’ That's the excitement that made this the highest grossest boxing match of all time, the excitement of the drama surrounding it."

nah, there have been rumblings of him being boring for a while. whether or not it's true is it subjective. but folks have been feeling this way for a while. i've heard mayweahter supporters saying the were done after the second maidana fight...

"2.) The suggestion that the undefeated world champion should deliberately fight down to his opponent's level so that the lesser fighter will have a better chance at winning is an opinion I'd expect to come from a racist's mouth when trying to convince a dominant black champion to let the Great White Hope win "for the fans."

surely this isn't a response to something i wrote in this thread???????

"It was Manny's job to make it happen, not Floyd's job to coddle his sensitive enemies' feelings. Anyone at all who truly believes that the boxer should stop boxing and stand toe-to-toe and slug with his rival, is expressing an opinion that isn't worthy of respect. "

beat that strawman to death!!! here's some theme music..

DJay (Terrence Howard) - Whoop That Trick

i never said that. i think floyd did exactly what he was supposed to do. my point is that folks are less inclined to pay for it. and the only reason this fight did damn near 5 million in pay per view was because he was fighting pac. i'd bet money vs khan wouldn't even have hit a million.

"i agree that since the entire world thought that Manny was the Chosen One that could finally defeat Floyd, he needed to fight him to cement his legacy."

i never said this.

"Floyd had a guaranteed $200 million payout from his 6-fight Showtime/CBS deal, so technically he DIDN'T need Manny. "

yeah, floyd had the money but folks weren't happy. if they couldn't stick it to money, somebody was going to pay. all hayman is floyd's right hand man...

“CBS CEO Les Moonves has given Showtime boxing head Stephen Espinoza the ultimatum to deliver Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao… Or else,” Malinowski stated in his article at ringobserver.com. “If he can’t deliver Floyd, Espinoza will be out of a job. And Haymon will also be out because the new boxing boss will not work with Haymon beyond the final two contracted Mayweather fights. So Haymon, already banned from HBO, will in effect be banned at Showtime."

Todd Holland - A LOT of people put all their eggs in Manny's basket to put this "Uppity" Negro in his place,and that bucket got run over by a semi truck,so NOW,the fight was boring,not entertaining,Manny was REALLY hurt,and every OTHER excuse in the book.....I can't WAIT for Floyd to get these suckers for another $100 for the inevitable rematch....

Glenn Brewer - "A LOT of people put all their eggs in Manny's basket to put this ‘Uppity’ Negro in his place..."

a lot of folks hate this dude. he's black, skilled, business savoy and independent. he'll never really come out and admit it but i think bob arum hates him most. black fighters are not supposed to think for themselves and run there own companies.

Muhammad Rasheed - 1.) Of course whether one person feels a fighter's style is boring or not is subjective. On many levels. People who are actual students of boxing recognize that "styles make fights," and among them they have their opinions as to which style they personally like best. The layperson who is not a student of the sport/discipline, but gets all of his understanding of what he thinks it's about from Hollywood, also has a subjective opinion, but it is weak and based on ignorance. That type of opinion makes up about 99% of the folk that rooted for Manny during this fight, and why I have such contempt for people that say "running & hugging" describing Floyd's strategy. Ignorance is not a virtue, and it is never worthy of respect no matter how passionate it is.

2.) The only reasons why "folks weren't happy" is because their guy lost, and they didn't understand what they were watching because they didn't know the game.

3.) You did say you thought that Floyd needed Manny. I gave my opinion as to why he did need him for his career.

4.) Do you think that was a strawman? People who say that the fight was boring and blame it on Floyd aren't suggesting that Floyd stop boxing and start slugging toe-to-toe? If not, then what ARE they talking about, Glenn?

5.) Haymon being Floyd's "right hand man" had nothing to do with Manny's inability to penetrate Floyd's defense and make it happen for his fans inside of the squared circle.

Glenn Brewer - @Muhammad Rasheed… i've know you for a while via bsh.com and we've had pretty cool discussions. we've talked mma and a little boxing and though we've disagreed, i've always felt like it was two guys talking about sports that they really liked. i could go back and forth with you all day brah, but if this is how you really feel...

"I have such contempt for people that say "running & hugging" describing Floyd's strategy"

...i going to go ahead and check out of this one.

Muhammad Rasheed - Do you feel he was "running & hugging?"

Muhammad Rasheed - I certainly hope not, because that's what people say when they have no idea what they are talking about. If we've talked about boxing/MMA before then that means you should know better, right?

The Cure for Integration

Muhammad Rasheed - I wish I WOULD side with my ideological enemy in vilifying a successful Black American.  Why would I do that?  Can’t you see that is treachery?  Why would I ape/parrot that behavior in my enemy to attack and tear down one of my own?  HE hates and resents him, so I must hate and resent him, too, right?  “Wha'sa’matta, massa?  WE sick?”  How does it profit me to join my enemy in hating my own people? 

My enemy will quickly downplay a Black American’s accomplishments and throw his weaknesses in his face; angry and resentful that he has proven dominant in this field where only the strongest and smartest thrive.  Meanwhile he will downplay the great international atrocities and horrendous body counts he himself has amassed while pretending his race are the good guys in the human experience, and are magically more righteous than you because he said so.   He covers over his own peoples’ faults, particularly when comparing them to yours, and even glorifies and celebrates his criminals and organized crime organizations.  They stick together through their feuds and conflicts and make sure they boost themselves up over all others.  At its most insane extreme, he even thinks he represents the penultimate in human evolution.  He will NEVER side with you over himself.  It’s the secret to his success, that through all of his own internal dysfunction, he will absolutely come together over you.  Link arms to keep you out.  Arm himself against you.  Convince himself that there is no worse terror on earth than a member of the Black Race. 

If I’m going to ape and parrot his behavior, why wouldn’t I seek to duplicate his penchant for protecting himself and his own people?  Why would I instead join him in his fight against me?  “You’re right, Boss.  Fuck that arrogant nigga. He's a coward.”  Why would you do that?  What does that serve?   Did you forget the socio-political clime we live in?  Hm?  You KNOW he doesn’t give a flying FUCK about you.  He would as soon shoot your children dead as help them.  In an authority position he will gleefully brainwash them with some foul bullshit designed to destroy their spirit and self-esteem based on what he has convinced himself about you.  He does not have a problem hanging you from a tree.  He really doesn’t.  No generation of American citizens – black or white – have undergone any kind of therapy or counseling to debrief us from the savagery of America’s shameful past history.  Do you recognize that?  Do you see what that means?  It means that the terrible psychological damage inflicted upon our ancestors never stopped being passed down through the generations.  Do you doubt this?  After all these years, in 2015, we’re still failing that damn Doll Test.  We’re fucked up.  Still.  And if WE’RE fucked up, HE’S definitely fucked up.  He hasn’t changed either, that’s why he doesn’t even blink when he shoots your sleeping babies in the head.  Did you forget that he convinced himself that you weren’t even a human being to justify keeping you chained to a post down in slave row?  This motherfucker is not your role model for how to treat a Black person!!!

He’s not going to help you.  He can’t.  He’s just as damaged, he only pretends he’s not.  Pretends he doesn’t see race.   When he looks at you he wipes the same fucking drool from his mouth that fell when watching you greedily from the deck of those stinking ships so long ago.  It took many centuries to finally free you from his chains.  You know he didn’t want to let you go.    In the ten years immediately afterwards, during Reconstruction, he actually got MAD AT YOU for daring to be successful.  Educating yourself, entering politics, setting yourself up to enjoy the full fruits of what this country you helped build had to offer.  This made him furious!!!  He promptly took it from you, and pressed his knee onto the back of your neck, creating a new place to put you in.  To confine you to. 

And he called you “lazy.” 

All of you.  Lazy.  As a stereotype.  He said you all are lazy.  But you are NOT lazy, and even under these new chains, you rose up from the ashes of that defeat to achieve economic success, and he got mad at you yet again and burned it to the ground. 

And then again.

And again.

And again. 

And again.  

And again.

And again.

And again.

All the time calling you 'lazy.'  In anger, hatred, resentment, and fear, he made up a story and destroyed all of your hard work, and called you a “lazy nigger” while he did it, and he’s been doing that psychotic shit since he fucking brought you here!  But with the whole world watching, they were shamed into eventually releasing those chains, too.  The Civil Rights Act was passed, and it was now illegal to treat you like shit in the way he had grown used to. 

But what did that mean? 

It meant that the next time you came together… with the whole world watching… he couldn’t just burn all of your stuff down again, right?  Simply proclaiming you were lazy hasn’t worked in all these centuries, so what would keep you from rising to the very top if he stopped sabotaging you every fucking time?  Nothing.  And he fears this.  He always has.  Mightily.  Every time he strikes you down, he creates a new karmic debt, and he believes that eventually that bill is going to come due, and he won’t have the goods to pay it off (doesn’t stop him from doing it though).  He’s genuinely afraid that he will have to eat the payback of all he’s done to you, so of course he can’t have that.  A new strategy was needed.

After the Civil Rights Act was passed, during the effort to fight for desegregation, somehow, mysteriously, that train detoured into a fight for the nonsensical “integration,” and it destroyed you.  You live that destruction now.  Your greatest strength, that enabled you to phoenix-like rise from the ashes of racist savagery and chaos to produce an economically successful community over and over again, was taken from you.   The poison of “integration” separated the Black American middle class from the poor lower classes, leaving the poor defenseless.  The middle class abandoned their own community to attempt to become “brown-faced whites” in his country.  In his heart of hearts he absolutely did NOT want this, but the alternative was to have you use your talents and energies for yourself and risk you rising up greater than he, where your power could potentially become the threat he feared most.  So he tolerated you, helped direct your energies towards making his forces greater.  He slaughtered your leaders during the Assassination Era so they wouldn’t bring you together into an unwanted competitive force on the nation’s stage.   He found that blunt and sociopathic tactic to be a mistake because it called forth a ferocious defensive militancy from your youth of the time period, and he didn’t want that.  You were much more useful using your talents to enrich him than to slaughter you outright.  So your next leaders that came forth, instead of killing them physically, he sought to discredit, to smear, to taint in your mind with a relentless marketing campaign of defamation. 

Everyone does something wrong.  We are humans.  The flesh is weak by its nature, and we often give in to temptation.  But somehow when your weaknesses become known, they are THE WORST DEMONSTRATION OF WEAKNESSES IN THE UNIVERSE.  And you believe him.  Him.  Who has nothing for you, and even today will kill you casually.  Death by white cop is today’s version of hanging you from that tree.   But you side with him in vilifying your own, a demonstration of your own dysfunction.  An award-winning Black American at the top of his game fights on the world stage and it disgusts him.  Just like an unpopular previous Black American champion who got close to a certain someone’s celebrated professional record, this one closes in on it too, and he HATES IT.  It burns him up.  Were we the only nation in the history of the sport where its citizens didn’t root for their own champion to retain his titles?  And you helped.

Yes, Floyd has well-documented weaknesses that he’s working on.  So what?  That’s for him and his family to work on.  Why aren’t you celebrating a Black American’s accomplishments?  Let him know you disagree with his weaknesses if you must, and ask him to make sure he gets help, and then celebrate his victories as a member of your own.  Cover over his faults with love, and celebrate the victories of your brother.  The lack of this is why we suffer and is the fruit of the schemes of the enemy.  Celebrate the accomplishments of your brothers and sisters… HOLD THEM UP!!!!  …and cover other their faults.  Take care of your own. 

This is the only thing that matters. 

None of that other shit you bitch about matters in the least until you start taking care of each other again, re-forging your old strength anew so you can rise from the ashes of the enemy’s hate and evil once more.  Bitching about crap like word usage, semantics and fucking tv shows is a complete waste of time until you get your strength back.  Is whether we use the ‘n-word’ or not keeping you from regrowing your economic base?  FUCK NO!!!  Get yourself together, stop following along behind that crazy motherfucker that hates your guts, and take care of your own people.  Right NOW. 

”The Unbelievers are protectors, one of another: Unless ye do this, protect each other, there would be tumult and oppression on earth, and great mischief.” ~The Holy Qur’an, Surah 8:73

"All Lives Matter" - The Truth Behind the Contemptuous Retort

Muhammad Rasheed - [shared meme]

Muhammad Rasheed - I'm going to assume that's a "yes" since it's also clueless & retarded (watch tril scold me for calling assholes 'retarded' ).

Marc Keelan-Bishop - Mentally disabled people matter too.

Just Ceakou - #goodone

John Kraft - I changed it to #soldierslivesmatter a couple of times but I think I like #alllivesmatter does sound better.

Just Ceakou - Black lives are under attack in epidemic proportions and we are only seeing a fraction of what police are doing to Black people (and of course Latinos). To change this is to show total disregard for the issue at hand and basically it's throwing a tantrum bc the attention isn't on your sect. 

MORE BLACK LIVES ARE ENDED - MURDERED - BRUTALIZED EACH WEEK THAN THEY WHERE DURING THE HEYDAY OF THE KLAN.

Let that sink in! 

Supporting our troops is a whole other cause. God Bless them.

Muhammad Rasheed -

John Kraft - Too bad it is primarily "blacks killing blacks" so the only ones that black lives don't matter too is other Blacks. In Baltimore most of the Police are black. Most of the citizens are black. The Mayor is black. The Democrats have been in charge. So it is obviously the Whites fault..

Muhammad Rasheed - John, please stop using that as a response. "Black-on-black" crime is no different than "white-on-white" crime, and with comparable percentages. Everyone has that criminal element that preys upon their own poor communities. Criminality isn't about race, it's about opportunity.

Just Ceakou - Okay, I see your mindset. *drop the mic*

John Kraft - Ok I agree there is more white on white on white crime than black on black crime but weapons and death are a far more likely outcome from other than white on white crime.

Muhammad Rasheed - I was specifically taking about white-on-white homicides.

John Kraft - OK white guys tend to plan out their Homicides better with a better success rate of not getting caught and if we get caught we generally put down the weapons and do not run so we do not get shot by police or others with guns. Many people I have thought deserve a late term abortion but decided it was not worth the risk or planning time necessary to pull it off safely.

Muhammad Rasheed - lol

Is your argument really, "White criminals are inherently more intelligent than black criminals because we plan out our evils better?"

Really, John? The logical response to this bullshit of yours traditionally gets the "playing the race card" charge leveled at me. 

I'll allow you the opportunity to reconsider that post.

John Kraft - I will let the comment stand but add more personal observation. I have been in the Military for over 20 years. Moved around many times and seen multiple different locations and groups that divide themselves from others in one way or another. Soldiers are divided by GT score, MOS, Race, Gender, Rank and Pride of uniform. Using the Race one light skinned soldiers tended to ignore the antics of other groups or leave the area while about 10% of the darker skinned soldiers tended to try be in the face or create confrontations to prove themselves. I always made sure to be friendly with soldiers of all groups to protect myself from that 10% of Blacks. Some people just love causing confrontations. Me in some areas too.

John Kraft - The point I am proving is that there is always some willing to argue right or wrong about any topic. Personally I do not care about race but do judge people by attitude. I do make snap judgements about people by the way they dress and am offended by tattoos and visible piercings. I do not judge people by what they can not change.

Andre Owens - Nice to see a bigot admit their prejudice John. And you're welcome for your 20 year paycheck from the taxpayers.

John Kraft - I am a Bigot against stupid people and the uneducated ones who choose not to learn or care. Must be why we are not friends. Thanks to Obama I do not get Welfare or Snap or Medicaid so where where is this paycheck I am to get? I will have to work till I die to pay for freeloaders like you unless you are supporting yourself with your drawings. If you found a job that pays your bills more power too you.

Muhammad Rasheed - John Kraft wrote: “Must be why we are not friends. Thanks to Obama I do not get Welfare or Snap or Medicaid…”

Explain to us how that would be the president’s fault, please. 

John Kraft wrote: “I will have to work till I die to pay for freeloaders like you unless you are supporting yourself with your drawings.”

I’m curious as to whether you automatically assume other white people are “freeloaders like you,” or if you only automatically think that way about black people. There are far more whites on welfare than there are blacks, and that include the poor white communities as well as free gov subsidies to mega-corporations. Tell me, John, if when you look at a random white person, you think “freeloader like you” as one of your first Rorschach mental correlations the way you just did Andre, who you don’t know from Adam. 

And remember, this is for posterity so be honest.

John Kraft - Actually it is the Government in general that is to blame. I have never applied for food stamps or unemployment so I am not subsidized by any group. Of course there are more whites on welfare there are more of them in America. I automatically figure all Democrats are Freeloaders. I also commented after checking his profile that if he supports himself through his drawings good for him.

Muhammad Rasheed - *puts hand out to inspect rifle*

Muhammad Rasheed - John Kraft wrote: "I automatically figure all Democrats are Freeloaders."

Partisan nonsense just like that is the reason why we are broken socio-politically. Of the huge welfare pie, mega-corporation for-profit institutions, with GOP conservatives at the helm, get by far the biggest piece of it in free gov subsidies.

Muhammad Rasheed - Their companies are profitable, yet they talk their political buddies into giving them free money. THAT is the bulk of the welfare problem, with the programs for the poor being a tiny sliver of it, yet that partisan nonsense has brainwashed you into thinking the poor are the problem with the world, and you link it to race.

THAT'S why we're broken.

John Kraft - Why are American poor so much richer than the poor of any other country if it is so bad for them.

Muhammad Rasheed - Why do you believe comparing the quality of life of the poor around the globe relevant to this topic? This sounds like it's coming out of your "go back to Africa if you don't like it when we treat you like fucking shit" racism kit.

Muhammad Rasheed - "You're better off than the poor people in other countries, so shut it" sounds like it might have a communism undercurrent...

Muhammad Rasheed - ...or maybe it's coming from that bullshit "welfare queen" shit Reagan pulled out of his ass? That's it, isn't it?

That concept is a myth. Let it go and focus on curing the country of your own peoples' perpetual wrongs. Everything we're dealing with comes directly from the bullshit your folk inflicted on us. Do you think the "liberal policies that don't work" narrative would even be relevant today if your people hadn't made a habit out of burning down our successful communities throughout American history since Reconstruction?

Do a better job of turning your critical eye inward where the root cause of all of our bullshit actually lies, please.

Muhammad Rasheed - John Kraft wrote: "I have never applied for food stamps or unemployment so I am not subsidized by any group."

There are also blacks who feel the same way about it and enjoy economic successes in black middle class and upper class communities, as they always have, even in freemen communities during slavery. So tell me why white people are so comfortable calling me lazy and associating all blacks with the poor lower classes? You know that the bulk of the American populace is composed of rural whites living below the poverty line, yet you keep assigning that poor shit to me like it is inherent to my very being. 

Racism is a brainwashed indoctrination of unreasonable beliefs, adverse to logic and facts, John. Let it go.

John Kraft - I notice you never commented on the video I linked you too either pro or con. So do you think we expect too little of American Blacks and that is why the news always portrays them misbehaving and claiming it is the whites fault for not being better role models?

Muhammad Rasheed - John Kraft wrote: "I notice you never commented on the video I linked you too either pro or con."

What video? I have no memory of it.

John Kraft wrote: "So do you think we expect too little of American Blacks and that is why the news always portrays them misbehaving and claiming it is the whites fault for not being better role models?"

American history is peppered with the record of resentful, less successful whites burning down our communities, while 50 years ago, our fight for desegregation mysteriously detoured into a suicidal fight for "integration" that isolated the black poor communities, widening the gap between classes, so that we haven't come together as a socio-economic successful group since the last one you burned down. What you expect of us is irrelevant. Focus on yourselves and learn to leave my people alone. Police your own communities; we don't need your "help."

John Kraft - I will be honest that I can not find the video link now but the presenter was Chloe Valdary and she brings up interesting views in all her explanations.

Muhammad Rasheed - lol Define "interesting."

Interesting to someone who sees my people the way your particular demographic does? Do you think this will be "interesting" to me, too, or do you just want to hear my take on it?

John Kraft - Actually she does not pull punches and calls it as she sees it. Unlike Fox or any other network news she is less biased toward any group in her sights.

Muhammad Rasheed - [from Wiki] "Chloé Simone Valdary is a pro-Israel political activist and a Zionist. According to The Times of Israel, Valdary 'garnered widespread attention' with an article she wrote in Tablet in which she argued that pro-Palestine activists misappropriate the narrative of the African-American Civil Rights Movement."

Let me assure you that nothing coming out of this person's face would be "interesting" to me. Maybe you only thought you posted it in here. I would definitely have remembered that stuff.

John Kraft - When I had tried to link you to the video I was wanting an honest opinion but now do not care if you check or not.

Muhammad Rasheed - "How she sees it" has value only to her and those that think like her. That poisonous subjective worldview is worthless to me, John. You may keep it.

Muhammad Rasheed - lol I definitely would have given you my honest opinion. You withdraw the offer because you don't care for honesty when it doesn't reinforce your own opinions?

Muhammad Rasheed - I don't blame you. I feel the same way. An honest opinion from a foundation of complete racist bullshit rubs me the wrong way just like the anti-racism honesty talk burns you and yours up.

Muhammad Rasheed - John Kraft wrote: “I will let the comment stand…”

I had a feeling you would. I’ll admit that I respect folk more when they dig their heels in and own their ideologies, instead of backpedaling and pretending they didn’t mean what they said. There are different types of criminal among every race and ethnic group as well, those who do less planning than others. To ignore your own "snap crime of passion" criminals to compare the "carefully planned murder" white criminal to our "snap crime of passion" criminals while ignoring our "carefully planned murder" black criminals is precisely what a racist worldview looks like. In every way. 

John Kraft wrote: “…but add more personal observation. […] I always made sure to be friendly with soldiers of all groups to protect myself from that 10% of Blacks. Some people just love causing confrontations. Me in some areas too.”

So “10% of the dark-skinned soldiers” did XYZ that you disapproved of, and you are implying that that 10% represents what? That because that 10% behaved a certain way does it somehow prove that the entire black race was that way? What was the point of typing this? Are you trying to justify a racist stereotype worldview because you saw 10% of a group behave in a way that confirmed a stereotype in your mind, even though you admit that you yourself also act the way this 10% acted? Your observation doesn’t mean much from an objective analysis standpoint, John.

John Kraft wrote: “The point I am proving…”

You’re actually not proving a point at all, just sharing your subjective opinions with the group. If anything you are proving that your personal worldview is heavily reinforced with the racial stereotypes that are at the root cause of our country's most enduring social problems.

John Kraft wrote: “…is that there is always some willing to argue right or wrong about any topic.”

I’m pretty sure no one needs you to prove that the human being of earth is inherently contentious. Are you not a military dude? 

John Kraft wrote: “Personally I do not care about race…”

I’ll respect you more if you continue to stick to honesty.

John Kraft wrote: “…but do judge people by attitude. I do make snap judgements about people by the way they dress and am offended by tattoos and visible piercings.”

Did Black Americans invent the modern popularity of tattoos and visible piercings? The (very caucasian) First Family of tattooing are all in my FB Friend List. They made their fortune on the new “everyone’s doing it!” trend that came directly from suburban whites deciding it was cool. Again I don’t see the point of why you are bringing up what you’ve decided to bring up here.

John Kraft wrote: “I do not judge people by what they can not change.”

Should I take this seriously and at face value? Your first “observation” above left a very different impression upon me, markedly different from what this sentence claims.

John Kraft - I would say about 17% of the Military is black and I found that about 10% of that 17% were actively searching for ways to get any fair or blanco skinned soldiers in trouble. No other races in the melting pot of the Army seemed to be purposely trying to cause trouble.

Muhammad Rasheed - Your biased way of seeing the world is now well-documented in these two threads. Forgive me if I do not take seriously your efforts of presenting these views as scientifically objective. You see what you want to see, filtered through the lens of this particular form of toxic worldview.

See Also:  The True Meaning of "Playing the Race Card"

OPEN CARRY: A Demonstration of Racist Hypocrisy

Muhammad Rasheed - [shared link]

Open-carry activists mob bullet-ridden Austin police station to show guns aren’t scary

Muhammad Rasheed - "White people march on police station with loaded assault weapons and one says he hopes the chief 'heeds his words' (sounds like a threat to me), but no one gets beaten, tased or shot...must be nice ‪#‎GotPrivilege‬"  ~Tim Wise

Chris Suess - I heard that they all went out for ice cream afterwards too.

Muhammad Rasheed - "Who's down for a vanilla ice cream party?!"

Muhammad Rasheed - Dude! You totally can have any kind of flavor you want (I know Gary does. *wink*). I thought that one was your fav.

Chris Suess - oh totally, I just dont like being told it's ALL I can have.

Muhammad Rasheed – Well, WHO told you that?

John Kraft - You are the only one who mentioned race Muhammad Rasheed unless you mean the White Arse Wipe killed six months prior to this picture.

Muhammad Rasheed - Comparing the double-standard hypocrisies demonstrated almost daily in how white cops treat their own versus how they treat my people is very much about the racism issue, John.

The fact that you can't see that merely reinforces that point. By about a trillion percent.

Muhammad Rasheed - Selfish ass. #justLikeaWhiteDude

Chris Suess - meh give you a billion and you take a trillion.

Muhammad Rasheed - how many trillions do you have?

Chris Suess - #SorryWhitesOnlyInformation

Muhammad Rasheed - Don't worry about it. We'll find out during the Fed Audit.

Chris Suess - whew... totally safe then.

Muhammad Rasheed - lol

Muhammad Rasheed - "You are the only one who mentioned race..." is going into my "needs to be a meme" folder. It's starting to get on my nerves.

Chris Suess - you wouldn't like him when he's angry.... Muhammad SMASH

Muhammad Rasheed - AARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John Kraft - I see at least 4 different nationalities in the picture not everything is about being racist. There are idiots and Arse Wipes in all national groups from Albino through yellow all the way to really dark Brown.

Chris Suess - I see no dark brown, but that could be a screen calibration. Though I think open carry applies to all human rainbow options.

well except maybe those green muther fuckers.

Muhammad Rasheed - Chris Suess wrote: "Though I think open carry applies to all human rainbow options."

You are OUT OF YOUR MIND for typing that.

Muhammad Rasheed - WHAT WHITE COP IN THE UNIVERSE WOULD ALLOW BLACKS TO DO THAT OPEN CARRY BULLSHIT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS THE WAY YOU DO IT IN MINE????????????????

Muhammad Rasheed - Get the fuck out of here!!!!!!!

Chris Suess - that doesnt mean that I dont think you shouldn't be allowed to... but I think that you should be allowed to sit in the front of the bus too... call me crazy.

Muhammad Rasheed - Unfortunately you're apparently in the minority in that. You and Tim Wise, and that's IT. lol

Muhammad Rasheed - j/k of course. Chill.

Chris Suess - hey I'm in the minority!!! What am I going to do with new found burden?

John Kraft - My cousin by marriage a cop in Minneapolis MN with a working dog and having done undercover duty has Dark skinned parents who worked hard so that he could succeed in life but those A-Holes in Ferguson and Baltimore make life rougher for him. Race is not the issue Attitude is!

Muhammad Rasheed - Well, when you pretend that attitude is connected to their skin color and the continent their ancestors are from, you add to the racism problem. You never did answer my questions from that "10% dark-skinned" bullshit you pulled out of your ass the other day. Finish cleaning your weapon and then get back to me on that, Ooah?

Muhammad Rasheed - Chris Suess wrote: "hey I'm in the minority!!! What am I going to do with new found burden?"

May I suggest working hard to build up your community so the majority can make up a fake reason to burn it to the ground out of resentful racist hatred, and then go around saying how lazy you are?

Muhammad Rasheed - That's my FAVORITE one. #fuckingAssholes

Muhammad Rasheed - 8 Successful and Aspiring Black Communities Destroyed by White Neighbors

John Kraft - Why are you using old propaganda? Is there nothing after Martin Luther King or Rosa Parks? Why are the two girls prior to Rosa Parks ignored before she stood up to the evil whites?

Muhammad Rasheed - So you consider the history of whites burning down successful black communities while calling us 'lazy nigg3rs' to be "propaganda" when the subject is mentioned, huh?  Curious.

Yes, there is a continuing history after Martin and Rosa. It's composed of liberal policies that isolated the Black economic classes so they keep us from coming together to form another successful black community for you to burn to the ground.

Muhammad Rasheed - John Kraft wrote: "I see at least 4 different nationalities in the picture..."

"American" is a "nationality." Notice that there are members of the white and black races within that nationality? Stop being disingenuous, please. Go clean your rifle.

John Kraft - I do not claim to be German American and I do not hear Irish American or even Jamaican American so why do I hear African American so often? If people are so proud of their ethnic background go back to the damn country.

Muhammad Rasheed - Why does it bother you how another group describes themselves?

I like how you get all indignant and racist-assholish when confronted with your peoples' epic bullshit. Just own up to it and stop it.

Muhammad Rasheed - STEP ONE in finally being a real Post-Racial America: Own up to your shit and stop being so slimy. Fuck.

John Kraft - By the way what is an Assault Weapon? I do not see any hammers in the photo even though most Assaults are with Hammers. In the article it mentions that safety's were checked multiple times or are you just offended that it was a white dude killed?

Muhammad Rasheed - I'm offended that a group of armed whites will walk into a police station threatening folk and the white cops will grin sheepishly, but shoot a black child to death for having a toy.

Muhammad Rasheed - I don't hate whites, I hate the racist institutionalism, and the demonstrated hypocrisies of it in action.

VICTORY! Mayweather Defeats Pacquiao

Muhammad Rasheed - I had a GREAT day! The Filipino nation has been destroyed. Their warrior-king vanquished, my office staff forlorn and sad, with their pitiful tears turning the floor into glorious sand-mud.

‪#‎goodTimes

Muhammad Rasheed - Next time they'll listen to their supervisor, I'll bet.

Britnnie Kramer - I was wondering what everyone would be like over there. Assuming as much as you said and more.

Muhammad Rasheed - They totally started it. lol

Jay Mac - Ah man!

You rubbing it in their faces, huh?

Luther Johnson - 'glorious sand mud'....LOL

Gary McCoy - Sorry to disappoint. The Philippines are as strong as ever. Destroyed? Hardly. Maybe Mayweather, and those who idolize this money-obsessed thug, should stay away from the low blows. Floyd Mayweather: The thug with two jets, 100 cars and $250,000 in a duffel bag he'll blow at a strip club if he wins tonight's big fight

Abdur Rasheed - How's that any different from super wealthy Billionaires who toss away hundreds of million to buy elections?

Koch Brothers’ Budget of $889 Million for 2016 Is on Par With Both Parties’ Spending

"Thug" huh?

What makes HIM a thug?

Abdur Rasheed - Sheldon Adelson - Real Time Net Worth (Forbes)

Abdur Rasheed - Mayweather spends his money the way everybody does. 

He's worth well over $300 million dollars.

If you took the same percentage of YOUR money, and could buy a high-end luxury car with $1500 dollars, you would have a fleet too.

If you're jealous then stop looking.

Gregory Walker - Damn Rasheed! Kinda harsh man.

Gary McCoy - Jealous? Hardly I'm not jealous of, nor do I look up to men like Mayweather. I've got something he is sorely lacking: Integrity. Anyone who could blow a quarter million dollars on strippers while there are starving children in this world is in dire need of a thing called values. If that's the kind of guy you look up to, then more power to you, brother. To each their own.

Abdur Rasheed - $250,000 helped starving strippers.

I never requested that you admire him. I'm just putting it in perspective.

The man is worth over $330,000,000.

So $250,000 may seem like a lot of money to you but for him it's .07% of his income.

To put that in perspective if you are worth $50,000 then that would be the equivalent of you spending $35 at the strip club.

$35 could go a long way toward starving children as well, but nobody would question your integrity over it.

It still sounds like jealousy to me.

Muhammad Rasheed - Gary McCoy wrote: "Jealous? Hardly I'm not jealous of, nor do I look up to men like Mayweather."

Based on our history of discussions, and the typical posts on your Timeline, naturally "men like Mayweather" means "Black American Men." You have a great disdain for them, that's the real reason this status post burns you up. You love indulging in the flesh of exotic beauties from many different nationalities though, right? You look up to scum like the Great White Colonialist types from the most blatantly evil era of the Euro-ethnic’s rule. 

btw I'm usually significantly harsher in my own territory than I am when I wander into yours. FYI.

Muhammad Rasheed - I guess this makes me the True American Patriot since I was apparently the only American that genuinely wanted Floyd to win the fight, outside of my boxing analysis predictions. 

I'll take it. I love my country and want us to be the best. I'm proud to have the top high-level talent coming from our lands.

Gary McCoy - Muhammad Rasheed, I thought I made it pretty clear, but let's try again. By "men like Mayweather", I simply meant guys who flaunt their wealth and beat their women. If you want to focus on the fact that his skin color matches yours that's your prerogative. Here's Floyd Mayweather's Son's Note Telling How His Dad Beat His Mom

Muhammad Rasheed - Gary McCoy wrote: “Muhammad Rasheed, I thought I made it pretty clear…”

You made it pretty clear quite a while ago. You tend to gravitate towards putting poor black people and desperate black criminals on your Timeline as your source of social commentary humor to your buds. Where are all the poor white trash jackasses to balance it out? Meanwhile you brag that you just LOOOVE the sexual flesh of non-white women. 

Gary McCoy wrote: “…but let's try again.”

lol Okay.

Gary McCoy wrote: “By ‘men like Mayweather,’ I simply meant guys who flaunt their wealth and beat their women.”

Are these two separate items that get your goat, or just one? Does it have to be that precise combination that really burns you up? Do you usually go on an anti-domestic abuse tirade soapbox rant, or only when black men are accused of it? And is it a REAL pet issue of yours, or is it similar to all the GOP guys who are very publicly against homosexuals who frequently turn out to be homosexuals themselves? Do you abuse exotic, non-white flesh as part of your thing, Gary? When they go to the authorities is it easier to get out of the conviction by using your white privilege to your advantage? “Come ON, officer! Who’re you going to believe? ME or this fill-in-the-blank-racial-slur?”

That’s it, isn’t it? You can tell me. I’ll keep your semi-secret.

Gary McCoy wrote: “If you want to focus on the fact that his skin color matches yours that's your prerogative.”

Let me assure you that when your name pops up I always will. My advice? Change utterly.

Gary McCoy  - Really, Muhammad Rasheed? I brag that I "just LOOOVE the sexual flesh of non-white women" You're growing into quite the prevaricator (psst... that means liar). Here's what it comes down to: You've got a wealthy boxer who likes to 'whup his women's assess'. If you want to keep focusing on his skin color, go ahead. You brought it up, not me. But I understand. If you hadn't, what meaning would your life have? Imaginary Racism: The gift that keeps on giving to Muhammad Rasheed.

Muhammad Rasheed - So you don't want to play, eh? awww. frown emoticon

And yes, you do brag that you loOOoooOOOve exotic female flesh, oddly as some kind of proof that you aren't a racist, all while your Timeline is full of you making fun of non-white MEN. It's interesting that you think this bizarre, sociopathic mindset would actually leave some kind of warm & fuzzy feeling on people and make them think you are their friend. It's actually a savagery I associate with the very worst aspects of your demographic from history (I'd love for you to provide some pushback to encourage me to probe into the psychology behind this behavior to see which buttons it actually pushes.   :)  Do it.) 

I've decided to help you out though, Gary. I'm going to tag you in every single "dumb poor white trash criminal" meme I come across, in order to help your Timeline not look so racist as hell, so it'll at least give the illusion that you are an equal opportunity social humorist. You're welcome.

Muhammad Rasheed - Anyway, Floyd did his time for the 2010 incident in 2012, and there haven't been anymore accusations since. Your comment that he "likes" to commit domestic abuse offenses smacks of the judgmental assholery that you do very well when it comes to Black American men, so I look forward to seeing the hypocritical excuses you make for your own when I tag you in these "dumb poor white trash criminal" posts I find. 

Floyd's father did time for a domestic abuse item before his son fought for his first world title, so Floyd get's the problem legit through, as the Christian calls it, a family curse. I pray that he is able to break that curse from the counseling he's been taking, as well as the motivation that comes from the shame of public scrutiny. The fact that there haven't been any more high-profile incidents from him since 2010 is significant. As a God-fearing man, perhaps he has repented of the wrong doing, and if so, his Lord will forgive him. Of course I expect someone like you to continue to proudly stand in the role of the Accuser of legend, to gleefully bring up what the Lord Most High has forgiven, but I can expect no better. That's your thing, right?

Gary McCoy - Muhammad Rasheed, you repeat your lie again that I brag that I "loOOoooOOOve exotic female flesh". So I'll pause here while you provide your proof.

Gary McCoy - Okay, so now that I've proven you to be a liar once again, I'd be as big a fool as you are a liar to continue any discourse with you. So go back to hunting your racist bogeymen.

Muhammad Rasheed - That's not the direction I expected the pushback to come from. lol

You're not really suggesting that you only like white women, are you? We are having this discussion in public. Maybe you should dial back on that before you end up divorced or whatever.

Muhammad Rasheed - Pick one of those other items to get mad about for the sake of your household.

Gary McCoy - I said provide proof that I said that I, " loOOoooOOOve exotic female flesh". You can't because you know you are a liar. You can type something now and claim I said it again, as you did twice already. Repeating something does not make it true. I don't mind having the occasional race-debate with you, but I'm not going to humor your sick proclivity to spin and lie. And don't flatter yourself by thinking you in any way could threaten my "household". There may be people weak enough to be threatened by you. I'm not one of them.

Muhammad Rasheed - lol I didn't say I was threatening your household. I said maybe you don't want to take the stance that you are actually offended by the idea that you LOVE the flesh of non-white women, because the non-white women in your life lmight get mad and see you for what you are. The threat would come from your mask coming off. 

I'm just saying be careful with how you want to play this.

Muhammad Rasheed - I'm surprised that you really want to go here. It's funny. Are you SURE you want that proof? This is MY Timeline remember? You can't delete this thread.

Muhammad Rasheed - You can block me, of course, to keep your exotic ladies from seeing it though...

Gary McCoy - Being your timeline, I couldn't care less what you post as long as it's truthful. Because I doubt I care what those who read your timeline think of me. In a previous private message where I foolishly tried to convince you I wasn't one of those racist bogeymen you fear so much, I gave some of my background prior to marrying my Filipino wife, which explained that I've dated women of virtually every ethnicity, as well as having a black cousin. And if it's that simple declaration that makes you state falsely that I, "loOOoooOOOve exotic female flesh", then I recommend stronger meds for your delusions. By the way, I love Elton John's song, "Island Girl". Quickly, grab your inhaler!

Muhammad Rasheed -

Gary McCoy - Hey look! It's the woman-beater! Haha.

Muhammad Rasheed - You weren't trying to convince me that you weren't racist, you were trying to convince me the racists I was arguing with on your Timeline weren't racist. Haha.

Gary McCoy - Whatever. But back to the woman-beater. Please post more memes! I love me some memes!

Muhammad Rasheed - lol @ 'Whatever"

Gary McCoy - BTW, still waiting for the " loOOoooOOOve exotic female flesh" statement I supposedly made. Or are you ready to cry "uncle" yet?

Muhammad Rasheed - You already figured out exactly what I was referencing and mentioned your cleaned up version of it above. You admitted you have married and dated every exotic woman under the sun as somehow being proof that those anti-Obama cartoons of yours aren't racist in nature. You admit this freely, while your Timeline is full of anti-black men "jokes."

I don't understand why I would be the one saying "uncle." Aren't you the one that came onto my Mayweather victory post steaming mad? lol

Muhammad Rasheed - "The Filipino nation ISN'T destroyed!!! You take that BACK!!!!"

Muhammad Rasheed - hahahahahaha

Muhammad Rasheed - awwww.

Muhammad Rasheed - You're adorable, Gary.

Muhammad Rasheed - Don't EVER block me. We have too much fun.

Gary McCoy - Aw, Muhammad, just when I think you have your lying in check, you go and say, "You admitted you have married and dated every exotic woman under the sun as somehow being proof that those anti-Obama cartoons of yours aren't racist in nature. You admit this freely". Tsk tsk. How could I ever block you, Muhammad? For when your doctor asks you "what keeps you up at night?", you wouldn't be able to reply, "that grand wizard racist, exotic women-conquering, twerking in a tutu (your fantasy), Gary McCoy!"

Muhammad Rasheed - that's a good point...

Muhammad Rasheed - Then we agree you have my back then? Friends 4 life!

Muhammad Rasheed - We'll agree to never block each other. Like FB Blood Brothers or something like that.

Muhammad Rasheed - (please tell me you're not really twerking in tutus though)

Muhammad Rasheed - Your answer will determine whether I draw a caricature of you like that. Be forewarned.

Muhammad Rasheed - Gary McCoy wrote: "Quickly though... some background on my, lest you think that my anti-obama cartoons stem from racism.... before marrying my Filipino wife... I've dated, African-American girls, Kenyan, Jamaican, Romanian (yes, I know, Anglo).., Navajo, Malaysian, Chinese, Indian, oh yeah, and Filipino."

I guess that's not EVERY exotic woman under the sun, so I suppose my statement could technically be considered a lie, although I consider it disingenuous of you to sidestep the spirit of the message so sneakily. I forgive you though, since you're my FB Blood Brother now.

Muhammad Rasheed - btw How did that Romanian thing work out? Did you hate her because she wasn't brown enough or whatever?

Muhammad Rasheed - WAIT...! 

Is SHE the one you beat?! 

Omigosh!! Everything is making sense now!!! Gary, how COULD you??? 

Does your slimy Wizard evil have no end????

Muhammad Rasheed - Those are your own people, Gary!! YOUR OWN PEOPLE!!!!

Muhammad Rasheed - lol

Muhammad Rasheed - (this is almost as fun as when the unified undisputed boxing champion beat up your boy.)

#goodTimes

Muhammad Rasheed - [patiently waiting for Gary to respond so I can post my 'Mayweather - He Mad' meme again]

Gary McCoy - You're a weird fellow, Muhammad Rasheed. In one instance, you beg me not to block you and want to remain FB buddies, and then you proceed to post incendiary things in an effort to provoke me. Do you treat your women in such a crappy way, ala your woman-beating hero, Mayweather? Just curious. Gotta move on, got work to do, and exotic flesh to tend to.

Michael Daniels - Bottom line is that Mayweather is a great defensive yet unexciting boxer and a pathetic excuse for a human being. Pacquioau is a great fighter who is passed his prime, but by most accounts is a stand up guy. I think I'm probably in the majority in that I was expecting Mayweather to win but was rooting for Pac. I think a lot of people were rooting for Mayweather because they either didn't know what type of person he is, didn't care, or in the case of a lot of black folks were willing to overlook his money worshipping, woman beating, non-reading ways because he is black. Do you fall into that latter category, Mo?

Muhammad Rasheed - Gary McCoy wrote: “You're a weird fellow, Muhammad Rasheed.”

I know. It’s a gift.

Gary McCoy wrote: “In one instance, you beg me not to block you and want to remain FB buddies…”

lol “Beg” would be a lie. You recognize that was a demonstration of you doing something that you kept accusing me of, yes? Now I know for a fact you abuse your non-white women folk. Checkmate.

Gary McCoy wrote: “…and then you proceed to post incendiary things in an effort to provoke me.”

You TOLD me to produce my proof! About a hundred times! Hahahahaha It’s damned if I do, damned if I don’t with you. Hahahaha

You’ll be alright. You have your Wizardry privilege on your side.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Daniels wrote: “Bottom line is that Mayweather is a great defensive yet unexciting boxer and a pathetic excuse for a human being.”

lol This is whose bottom line, Deac? Of folk like you and Gary who have intimate ties with the Filipino Nation? Hahaha I always thought Floyd was very exciting. I love actual boxing skill over slugger-ish half-boxing. According to the punch stats, he’s a great offensive boxer, too. In addition to his celebrated mastery of defensive techniques, Floyd is also famous for being deadly accurate with his strikes. That’s also exciting. To me.

Michael Daniels wrote: “Pacquioau is a great fighter…”

That’s your bias talking. Floyd is the great fighter. Manny proved to be merely “good.” 

Michael Daniels wrote: “…who is passed his prime…”

They both are.

Michael Daniels wrote: “…but by most accounts is a stand up guy.”

Manny’s weakness is that he’s a puppet for his slimy handlers. He doesn’t stand up for anything.

Michael Daniels wrote: “I think I'm probably in the majority in that I was expecting Mayweather to win but was rooting for Pac.”

Probably. They’ve been billing Floyd as the bad guy for quite a while now. 

Michael Daniels wrote: “I think a lot of people were rooting for Mayweather because they either didn't know what type of person he is, didn't care…”

I think everybody that rooted for Floyd knew exactly who he was, and the ones that hate him for whatever reason rooted for his rival.

Michael Daniels wrote: “…or in the case of a lot of black folks were willing to overlook his money worshipping…”

That’s slander. Very Christian of you. Floyd believes in God. He thanks God first thing at the end of every fight. You may want to dial that back and let his Lord do all the judging since He is the one that actually sees into His servant’s heart. 

Michael Daniels wrote: “…woman beating…”

I notice people with strong ties to the Filipino Nation are fond of being in the role of The Accuser. That’s not a very Godly trait mind. This is a clue that The Philippines’ favorite son isn’t the Chosen One after all… lol

Michael Daniels wrote: “…non-reading ways…”

Yeah, he should go to prison AND hell for that I guess. 

Michael Daniels wrote: “…because he is black. Do you fall into that latter category, Mo?”

I’m a fan of his because he is highly-skilled in my favorite physical fitness activity in the way I like, and he’s a successful African-American that does it. The same reason I enjoy the performances of all my favorite fighters.