Muhammad Rasheed - A prime Joe Louis would add Marciano to his “bum-of-the-month” checklist with zero issue. He would also embarrass a game Jack Johnson because of the evolution in sweet science skills the ‘Brown Bomber’ represented — it’s a huge chasm between the boxing skill & techniques displayed by the top fighters of Louis’ day versus the top fighters at the turn of the century; Louis would send missile-like crisp sharp bombs straight through Johnson’s ridiculously primitive guard and destroy him.
Some fans assume that Roy Jones, Jr. would lose to Louis because he was the naturally smaller man, but the real deciding factor is the fact that Roy fought with an unusual awkward style not dissimilar to Muhammad Ali’s. Ali gave the boxers of the old guard hell — they just couldn’t figure him out and combined with his physical gifts couldn’t touch him either. Ali’s performances against the great fighters of the previous older style were so dominant they were embarrassing mix-matches. Jones did the same thing to top fighters of traditional styles, with his dominance over James “Lights out” Toney being a perfect case in point.
As long as Roy Jones, Jr. stayed on the outside and kept his older-styled opponent confused & frustrated, I see no reason why he wouldn’t at least be able to take Joe Louis the distance for an impressive win.
Jack Womac - I have to respectfully disagree.No fighter in history would turn Marciano into a “bum of the month”, nor have an easy time against him Ali included.
As for Jones he was one of the most physically gifted fighters ive ever seen.But Joe Louis is a far cry from John Ruiz.Over 15 rds,Louis would catch and k.o. Jones.Respectfully.
Muhammad Rasheed - Jack wrote: “I have to respectfully disagree.”
You aren’t disagreeing based on logic/reason, but based on how you feel. An idol-worship position isn’t much of an argument.
Jack wrote: “No fighter in history would turn Marciano into a ‘bum of the month’”
Yeah? Here’s what we know for sure:
1.) In his prime, Louis made quick work of a whole bunch of fighters who were no different from how Marciano performed.
2.) Marciano came into his own during a transition era, when all the top fighters of the day were then in their waning careers and ready to retire.
Your worship of the Marciano myth is unwarranted and falls apart with minimum pushback from the facts.
Jack wrote: “nor have an easy time against him Ali included.”
Remember the famous Ali quote when he said if you even DREAMED about beating him, you’d better wake up and apologize? He was talking to your overrated Marciano bum. :P
Jack wrote: “As for Jones he was one of the most physically gifted fighters ive ever seen.But Joe Louis is a far cry from John Ruiz.Over 15 rds,Louis would catch and k.o. Jones.Respectfully.”
Both Jones and Louis were physically gifted, and I suspect that the older man in his prime would’ve had better conditioning, since the rounds were so much longer in that era. Jones’ advantage is that he’s not a conventional fighter, and Louis wasn’t equipped to deal with what Jones brought to the table. This is significant, because in Louis’ era, trainers were known for deliberately avoiding putting their fighters in the ring with anything that was unusual for the trainer themselves to deal with — they wouldn’t even allow them to fight southpaw fighters! Not that they couldn’t be trained to deal with it, but only because the trainers themselves were lazy and just didn’t want the extra work. For this reason, Jones would have confused the Brown Bomber for an early stoppage.
Jack Womac - No idol worshipping here,just stating facts. Your bias is condescending. I made a reply to your post and made it a point to let you know “no disrespect”,just my thinking as you gave yours.
Many great fighters and trainers must be under the influence of the “myth”, because they've made much stronger pro Marciano statements than I did.
Anyhow that's your opinion,Marciano an overrated bum? No problem, at all.
Muhammad Rasheed - Jack wrote: “No idol worshipping here,just stating facts.”
You don’t know what a fact is. Even though a prime Louis literally made short work of an endless stream of fighters who performed exactly the way Marciano did, you magically believe that Louis wouldn’t have done the same thing to Marciano during his prime because…
…you believe he wouldn’t. lol
That’s magical thinking based on your idol worship of the man. You didn’t even try to logic out a reasonable explanation for your disagreement. That’s what I mean by idol-worship. You didn’t provide anything for me to counter-argue, but you think you somehow “stated facts.” lol
Jack wrote: “Your bias is condescending.”
Agreed. Next time, try harder to provide value. I don’t have any respect for idol worship. It’s a sin.
Jack wrote: “I made a reply to your post and made it a point to let you know “no disrespect”,just my thinking as you gave yours.”
I’m not a pagan, so I don’t respect idol worship. If you have a better argument with actual substance to it, then please provide it.
Jack wrote: “Many great fighters and trainers must be under the influence of the ‘myth,’ because they've made much stronger pro Marciano statements than I did.”
lol Okay, then at least post one of those and try to defend it.
Jack wrote: “Anyhow that's your opinion,Marciano an overrated bum? No problem, at all.”
I explained why. If you disagree then use your words and explain why I’m wrong. Pretending to “state facts” while you conspicuously don’t state a single fact isn’t a position worthy of my respect. Try harder.
Jack Womac - You seem like your looking to argue so Ill agree that we don't agree. You want to say your right? Go ahead. You know everything about everything from boxing to religion. Im proud of you, here's a nickel.Maybe you should try your vast knowledge over on box rec .Someone there will get you your arguing fix.
PS: I dont need or want your respect that was meant for people worthy of respect
Muhammad Rasheed - Jack wrote: “You seem like your looking to argue”
I’m just requesting that you make more of an effort. Posting magical idol-worshiping beliefs isn’t the same as “stating facts.”Plus you went out of your way to tell me you disagreed with my Answer, so you were also looking to argue, too, right?
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