Ronald Wimberly – [shared link]
Ronald Wimberly – (Gonna put this out here like a sticky trap for facebook misogynists...)
Muhammad Rasheed - His domestic violence ended in 2010 when the judge ordered him to get professional impulse control and counseling for the problem. He hasn't had an issue with it since. He doesn't need Rousey's help. And the UFC Women's Bantamweight Champion certainly doesn't need his help to stay relevant, unless this is just an attempt to tap into some of those hundreds and hundreds of millions the Money Team has the ability to generate (ironic considering how "boring" he's supposed to be).
Rae Pleasant - And Jerry Sandusky hasn't had a problem with minors since the judge sent him to jail.
Muhammad Rasheed - "On the evening before his sentencing hearing, Sandusky released an audio statement maintaining his innocence. The next day, Cleland sentenced Sandusky to 60 years in prison. He will not be eligible for parole until he serves at least 30 years. His earliest possible release date will be October 9, 2042; when he will be 98 years old—all but assuring he will die in prison."
Muhammad Rasheed - Yeah, I guess that's exactly the same and relevant.
Rae Pleasant - Violating another person whom lacks the attackers physical strength when both persons were otherwise in a trusting relationship which was clearly a facade...
Muhammad Rasheed - How are you so sure that was the nature of the incidents Floyd was involved in? What source featuring the detailed accounts are you using for this opinion?
Rae Pleasant - Lolz
Muhammad Rasheed - To be honest, the news articles that came out about it back then were full of hints of opportunistic nonsense, where people were just trying to get paid. Didn't he just get sued by one of them over some frivolous bs?
He does live in Las Vegas.
Jacobo Ospina - Why are you playing devil's advocate for that piece of shit?
Muhammad Rasheed - Why are you calling someone you don't know a "piece of shit?"
Jacobo Ospina - lmao
Muhammad Rasheed - That's what I thought.
Jacobo Ospina - Why are you playing devil's advocate for that piece of shit?
Muhammad Rasheed - Why are you calling someone you don't know a "piece of shit?"
Jacobo Ospina - lmao
Muhammad Rasheed - That's what I thought.
Ekari Ekari - lol @sticky trap
Ronald Wimberly - it work tho
Muhammad Rasheed - I'm not a misogynist. lol
But I do make a habit of challenging bs contentions.
Nina La Voix - BAHAHAHAAHA
Douglas Adam Ferguson - Anything not to fight cris cyborg.
Ronald Wimberly - hmmm... what makes someone defend Mayweather? ...If you're not on payroll, why defend him?
I often wonder if it has anything to do with how our identities get caught up in public figures. Do our identities and values feel attacked when their proxy isattacked? What identity and values does Mayweather represent? What is it about an attack on Mayweather that provokes this defense?
This was a post for lulz mostly anyway. Something to look at between drawing comics. It worked.
for the record, I don't condone sticky traps. They're pretty brutal.
Muhammad Rasheed - I summarized why I choose to defend him in a recent blog entry.
Muhammad Rasheed – The Cure for Integration
Ronald Wimberly - You call that a summary?! ;)
Muhammad Rasheed - a summary+?
Ronald Wimberly - You call that a summary?! ;)
Muhammad Rasheed - a summary+?
Muhammad Rasheed - Ronald Wimberly wrote: "for the record, I don't condone sticky traps. They're pretty brutal."
I don't mind, Ronald. Arguing differing points of view on the 'Net has become my favorite hobby as of late. Trap away.
Robert W. Carmona - It just seems like Ronald is exactly right. You've taken Mayweather as proxy and in him you see the ideal of a successful black man, a success story in his field so to speak. But you're way too willing to forgive him when he's essentially a terrible person. I'd never be able to forgive those actions from someone regardless of his background or what he represents. It's too convenient to sweep his flaws under the rug. Plus I think he's a pretty boring fighter and I really wanted Pacquiao to win.
Muhammad Rasheed - Define what makes him a terrible person, please.
Muhammad Rasheed - You don't consider him a classic American success story? Why or why not?
Robert W. Carmona - "Classic American Success Story" is a myth, a lie. It's people claiming to love the underdog who rises to the top when they really don't. It's a story that's peddled by those at the top, like Rockefeller selling dime novels about how hard he worked to make billions, selling it to the eager and making a buck from their fantasies. It's a story peddled by conservatives and politicians to blame people for their mistakes, 'they didn't try hard enough'. People love stories. So if you're telling me I should like someone because they fill a false ideal, I can't consider someone on that basis because the American Dream isn't real, not for everyone. That's a bit of an aside from my opinion on Mayweather but when you're telling me that's a reason to defend him I have to scoff a bit.
And you're continually ignoring his history of abuse. He did serve some jail time. A farcical sentence as he negotiated fights from his jail cell. But is that the end of the story? Smacked someone around, did a few months, end of story, he's absolved? Only to do it again? He's a serial batterer. Nearly two decades and five women. He's a boxer, a trained fighter. Any time he beats on someone untrained, someone who is not a boxer, he is a danger, he is a weapon. It's not just abuse because he could have killed them easily. Nor has he been quiet about his viewpoint: "If a female shows half of her body, she’s asking to be disrespected."
Let's talk about his career. Part of his public persona is fiction. His nickname "Money" and so forth, they peddle the story and sell it because it makes money. The bad boy persona. But in the ring that translates to poor showmanship, to fights being scheduled in his favor. To cheap shots and unsatisfying victories. But he makes a lot of money. And the sport shows him favoritism because of it. There are numerous examples of this in the media and beyond.
Plus he's friends with Justin Bieber.
Muhammad Rasheed - Robert W. Carmona wrote: “’Classic American Success Story’ is a myth, a lie. It's people claiming to love the underdog who rises to the top when they really don't. It's a story that's peddled by those at the top, like Rockefeller selling dime novels about how hard he worked to make billions, selling it to the eager and making a buck from their fantasies. It's a story peddled by conservatives and politicians to blame people for their mistakes, 'they didn't try hard enough'. People love stories.”
The classic American success story is when a person is able to rise from impoverished origins to financial freedom success. It happens all the time and is clearly not a myth or lie. Floyd is absolutely an example of it in action, having gone from humble origins to wealth & fame based on working hard to master specific skills, combined with phenomenal business acumen. I’ll admit to an inability to see what you are talking about calling the American Dream a lie.
Robert W. Carmona wrote: “So if you're telling me I should like someone because they fill a false ideal…”
This is a strawman argument since it had nothing to do with why it was brought up. You added “so to speak” when you mentioned him being a successful Black American, and I asked if you didn’t think he qualified as a classic American success story. My asking that had nothing to do with whether you liked him or not.
Robert W. Carmona wrote: “…I can't consider someone on that basis because the American Dream isn't real, not for everyone.”
It’s clearly real, but if you consider it a myth/lie because every American hasn’t done it, then I would reasonably consider that a flaw in your own understanding of what the concept is supposed to actually be. A lot of stuff isn’t for everyone, Robert.
Robert W. Carmona wrote: “That's a bit of an aside from my opinion on Mayweather but when you're telling me that's a reason to defend him I have to scoff a bit.”
His success is a reason to support him as a fellow Black American. We should celebrate the successes of our own.
Robert W. Carmona wrote: “And you're continually ignoring his history of abuse.”
That’s not true either. I acknowledged that he shouldn’t have hit those women.
Robert W. Carmona wrote: “He did serve some jail time. A farcical sentence as he negotiated fights from his jail cell. But is that the end of the story? Smacked someone around, did a few months, end of story, he's absolved? Only to do it again? He's a serial batterer. Nearly two decades and five women. He's a boxer, a trained fighter. Any time he beats on someone untrained, someone who is not a boxer, he is a danger, he is a weapon. It's not just abuse because he could have killed them easily. Nor has he been quiet about his viewpoint: ‘If a female shows half of her body, she’s asking to be disrespected.’"
He was ordered to get help for his impulse control, and counseling for the problem during the 2010 incident, he did so, and hasn’t had a problem since. That’s very different from the slanderous narrative about it you just weaved, which falsely sounds like the latest incident happened this morning.
Robert W. Carmona wrote: “Let's talk about his career. Part of his public persona is fiction.”
That comment would literally apply to every celebrity in human history, all the way back to Adam.
Robert W. Carmona wrote: “His nickname ‘Money’ and so forth, they peddle the story and sell it because it makes money.”
When he left Bob Arum’s promotion company, Arum wouldn’t allow him to take the “Pretty Boy” brand with him, and he subsequently replaced it with the “Money” moniker, which reflected a lack of creativity if anything. But considering his level of financial success thus far, the new nickname certainly fits.
Robert W. Carmona wrote: “The bad boy persona.”
He hasn’t used the bad boy image in quite a while now. He hasn’t had to, since the public (mostly the casual boxing outsider “fans”) decided they didn’t like him anyway.
Robert W. Carmona wrote: “But in the ring that translates to poor showmanship…”
What does that mean? Boxing isn’t pro-wrestling.
Robert W. Carmona wrote: “…to fights being scheduled in his favor.”
They’re his events. Why wouldn’t they be? And why does that even matter? Were his opponents ever used to having fights scheduled in THEIR favor? Their job is to show up and fight with a reasonable enough notice to train properly.
Robert W. Carmona wrote: “To cheap shots and unsatisfying victories.”
As a fan myself, I can honestly say his victories were quite satisfying. ESPECIALLY this last one (my office staff is 80% Filipino).
Muhammad Rasheed - Robert W. Carmona wrote: "But you're way too willing to forgive him when he's essentially a terrible person."
He never killed anybody for being a different race than he is. Your idea of "terrible" is over-the-top in my opinion, and certainly doesn't apply to Floyd.
Robert W. Carmona wrote: "I'd never be able to forgive those actions from someone regardless of his background or what he represents."
So? God says we should be willing to cover over other peoples' faults, just as we would hope He would should us mercy and cover over our faults. Your attitude shows a position a "terrible person" would take, since it's literally the opposite of what God said He wants from us. Floyd believes in God btw.
Robert W. Carmona wrote: "It's too convenient to sweep his flaws under the rug."
Convenient to what? I'm not getting a check for it. But when someone has gotten help for a natural weakness (his father went to jail for domestic violence just before Floyd went for his first world title) is really trying to live right, hasn't had another incident in over 4 years, being willing to forgive seems quite reasonable from an objective viewpoint.
Robert W. Carmona - "Your attitude shows a position a "terrible person" would take."
Yup that's me. Bad people slandering poor boxers.
Muhammad Rasheed - I don't know what kind of life you live under normal circumstances, Robert, but I do know that you just advised people to take a stance that's the opposite of what God said He wants.
Wouldn't that by definition describe a "bad person?" Floyd got help for his human weakness and hasn't had an episode since. What are you doing about yours?
Robert W. Carmona - Well apparently I'm on facebook spreading my evil.
Muhammad Rasheed - I already peeped that part. ;)
Nicole Recchia - I won't be arguing for the inherent morality of either fighter. Nor will I argue that someone who is once found guilty of a crime is irredeemable.
I will argue that watching mayweather fight blows. Even watching him fight someone I would like him to beat is sad. And his shameless love of money makes it hard to love the sport through him.
All that said, I dislike immensely how gleefully our society tears down black men for crimes committed with impunity by white men, bc those crimes should be universally punishable, starting first & foremost with social consequences & lack of respectability. And abuse of power is damn near unforgivable.
Muhammad Rasheed - Nicole Recchia wrote: "I will argue that watching mayweather fight blows."
That's inherently subjective, Nicole. I personally love the high-level game of the sweet science, as both a long-time student and fan of the discipline. Boxing in its pure form as a very efficient close combat system is why I love it. Floyd personifies it in this era.
Also the "shameless love of money" from someone who grew up poor is a concept I would never be upset over. That's an easy place of empathy for me. In fact, it seems genuinely cruel and uninsightful for someone not to understand that mindset to me.
Nicole Recchia - I am also both a student and a fan, and the thoughtful strategy of evasion combined with effective striking is a thing of beauty. Backing out 10-12ft at a clip when you aren't even being touched & then landing light points tags when you're inside is a total letdown. I know it's his style but he's capable of much more than going 12 rounds without touching.
I also grew up very poor & I understand the impulse that leads to believing money brings safety & protection. And I can especially empathize with how this must be even more powerful a motivator growing up as a black man. But still. He's a depressing character to watch, in the ring and outside of it. I always want him to want something more than the paycheck, and there's never any glimpse of it.
Muhammad Rasheed - Nicole Recchia wrote: “I am also both a student and a fan, and the thoughtful strategy of evasion combined with effective striking is a thing of beauty.”
That’s exactly what his style looks like to me. In my opinion, it’s hard not to consider his well-known accuracy as a striker, and penchant for leading with power shots, as anything other than “effective.”
Nicole Recchia wrote: “Backing out 10-12ft at a clip when you aren't even being touched…”
He fights on the outside, and is quick enough (speed was his most celebrated natural talent that he built his style around) to dart in, score, and dart back out. Boxing as a combat sport in the very definition of the sweet science.
Nicole Recchia wrote: “…& then landing light points tags when you're inside is a total letdown. I know it's his style but he's capable of much more than going 12 rounds without touching.”
If that were true, then his opponents would take more risks, because you are describing the punching power of boxers like Chris Byrd, or Maurice Harris, who couldn’t flatten a pimple if they both double-teamed you. If Pacquiao was experiencing only “light tags” he definitively would’ve taken more risks.
Nicole Recchia wrote: “I also grew up very poor & I understand the impulse that leads to believing money brings safety & protection. And I can especially empathize with how this must be even more powerful a motivator growing up as a black man. But still. He's a depressing character to watch…”
Well, that’s one of us. I happen to be proud of him. Depressing is what I experience whenever I have to go back home to Michigan for anything as see the same ole same ole crap that Floyd pulled himself up from.
Nicole Recchia wrote: “…in the ring and outside of it. I always want him to want something more than the paycheck, and there's never any glimpse of it.”
You’re now projecting into his life from the outside looking in and it seems quite out of line. Something more than what? Are you in his inner circle to know what he dreams, Nicole. That’s kind of offensive.
Robert W. Carmona - I'm sure he dreams of more money.
Muhammad Rasheed - Of course you would think that. He's just a savage animal or something that doesn't have the same dreams as a real human or whatever, amIright?
Robert W. Carmona - Hey the man is nicknamed Money. If he didn't want more money, I don't think he'd want that name.
Muhammad Rasheed - Sure.
I wonder if you ever said something like that about Donald Trump, or one of those dudes.
Robert W. Carmona - Well yeah.
Muhammad Rasheed - Probably not, huh? It's different for Floyd, right?
Robert W. Carmona - Why wouldn't I?
Robert W. Carmona - No, they're all assholes.
Muhammad Rasheed - Because it's normal for those dudes to have money. It's made for them or whatever. Floyd is just putting on airs and should go back to Africa and know his proper place or whatever.
Robert W. Carmona - Why?
Muhammad Rasheed - Just a general feel I get. Nothing concrete.
Robert W. Carmona - So I'm super racist now because I pointed out that a man called 'Money' wants more money? A point that you have claimed earlier is justified and any idea to the contrary is 'genuinely cruel and uninsightful'.
Muhammad Rasheed - Now you are being intellectually dishonest.
Robert W. Carmona - I'm pointing out facts.
Muhammad Rasheed - You're being "super-racist" for flippantly suggesting that he probably doesn't have any dreams in life other than getting more money.
Tell me if you think that way about Donald Trump, too.
Muhammad Rasheed - Do you see "The Donald" as a shallow shell of a human, too? Or do you see his life with his family and his other ambitions? Tell me.
Robert W. Carmona - Of course I see him as a shallow shell of a human. I don't like Donald Trump. I'm not sure why you're bringing him up as a defense. I've already made the point that I don't believe in the "American Dream" so your argument doesn't really make sense.
Muhammad Rasheed - What does Donald have to do with the American Dream? He's a legacy wealth baby.
Misdirection, eh?
Robert W. Carmona - Says the guy talking about Donald Trump.
Muhammad Rasheed - There are far more financially successful caucasian businessmen. I disagree with this treating Floyd like he's a monster for his successes. Like he did something wrong and is the poster child for the evils of capitalism. Like the news using that one black face to represent that biker gang incident.
Y'all are a trip...
Muhammad Rasheed - Robert W. Carmona wrote: "Says the guy talking about Donald Trump."
I don't believe you that you treat all wealthy people the same. I think it's something about Floyd and his successes that piss you off specifically. I don't believe it's the reasons you stated earlier, because none of them made any sense.
Muhammad Rasheed - Pacquiao is wealthy. Do you hate him, too? Did you hope they would knock each other out?
Muhammad Rasheed - lol
Nicole Recchia - I won't be arguing for the inherent morality of either fighter. Nor will I argue that someone who is once found guilty of a crime is irredeemable.
I will argue that watching mayweather fight blows. Even watching him fight someone I would like him to beat is sad. And his shameless love of money makes it hard to love the sport through him.
All that said, I dislike immensely how gleefully our society tears down black men for crimes committed with impunity by white men, bc those crimes should be universally punishable, starting first & foremost with social consequences & lack of respectability. And abuse of power is damn near unforgivable.
Muhammad Rasheed - Nicole Recchia wrote: "I will argue that watching mayweather fight blows."
That's inherently subjective, Nicole. I personally love the high-level game of the sweet science, as both a long-time student and fan of the discipline. Boxing in its pure form as a very efficient close combat system is why I love it. Floyd personifies it in this era.
Also the "shameless love of money" from someone who grew up poor is a concept I would never be upset over. That's an easy place of empathy for me. In fact, it seems genuinely cruel and uninsightful for someone not to understand that mindset to me.
Nicole Recchia - I am also both a student and a fan, and the thoughtful strategy of evasion combined with effective striking is a thing of beauty. Backing out 10-12ft at a clip when you aren't even being touched & then landing light points tags when you're inside is a total letdown. I know it's his style but he's capable of much more than going 12 rounds without touching.
I also grew up very poor & I understand the impulse that leads to believing money brings safety & protection. And I can especially empathize with how this must be even more powerful a motivator growing up as a black man. But still. He's a depressing character to watch, in the ring and outside of it. I always want him to want something more than the paycheck, and there's never any glimpse of it.
Muhammad Rasheed - Nicole Recchia wrote: “I am also both a student and a fan, and the thoughtful strategy of evasion combined with effective striking is a thing of beauty.”
That’s exactly what his style looks like to me. In my opinion, it’s hard not to consider his well-known accuracy as a striker, and penchant for leading with power shots, as anything other than “effective.”
Nicole Recchia wrote: “Backing out 10-12ft at a clip when you aren't even being touched…”
He fights on the outside, and is quick enough (speed was his most celebrated natural talent that he built his style around) to dart in, score, and dart back out. Boxing as a combat sport in the very definition of the sweet science.
Nicole Recchia wrote: “…& then landing light points tags when you're inside is a total letdown. I know it's his style but he's capable of much more than going 12 rounds without touching.”
If that were true, then his opponents would take more risks, because you are describing the punching power of boxers like Chris Byrd, or Maurice Harris, who couldn’t flatten a pimple if they both double-teamed you. If Pacquiao was experiencing only “light tags” he definitively would’ve taken more risks.
Nicole Recchia wrote: “I also grew up very poor & I understand the impulse that leads to believing money brings safety & protection. And I can especially empathize with how this must be even more powerful a motivator growing up as a black man. But still. He's a depressing character to watch…”
Well, that’s one of us. I happen to be proud of him. Depressing is what I experience whenever I have to go back home to Michigan for anything as see the same ole same ole crap that Floyd pulled himself up from.
Nicole Recchia wrote: “…in the ring and outside of it. I always want him to want something more than the paycheck, and there's never any glimpse of it.”
You’re now projecting into his life from the outside looking in and it seems quite out of line. Something more than what? Are you in his inner circle to know what he dreams, Nicole. That’s kind of offensive.
Robert W. Carmona - I'm sure he dreams of more money.
Muhammad Rasheed - Of course you would think that. He's just a savage animal or something that doesn't have the same dreams as a real human or whatever, amIright?
Robert W. Carmona - Hey the man is nicknamed Money. If he didn't want more money, I don't think he'd want that name.
Muhammad Rasheed - Sure.
I wonder if you ever said something like that about Donald Trump, or one of those dudes.
Robert W. Carmona - Well yeah.
Muhammad Rasheed - Probably not, huh? It's different for Floyd, right?
Robert W. Carmona - Why wouldn't I?
Robert W. Carmona - No, they're all assholes.
Muhammad Rasheed - Because it's normal for those dudes to have money. It's made for them or whatever. Floyd is just putting on airs and should go back to Africa and know his proper place or whatever.
Robert W. Carmona - Why?
Muhammad Rasheed - Just a general feel I get. Nothing concrete.
Robert W. Carmona - So I'm super racist now because I pointed out that a man called 'Money' wants more money? A point that you have claimed earlier is justified and any idea to the contrary is 'genuinely cruel and uninsightful'.
Muhammad Rasheed - Now you are being intellectually dishonest.
Robert W. Carmona - I'm pointing out facts.
Muhammad Rasheed - You're being "super-racist" for flippantly suggesting that he probably doesn't have any dreams in life other than getting more money.
Tell me if you think that way about Donald Trump, too.
Muhammad Rasheed - Do you see "The Donald" as a shallow shell of a human, too? Or do you see his life with his family and his other ambitions? Tell me.
Robert W. Carmona - Of course I see him as a shallow shell of a human. I don't like Donald Trump. I'm not sure why you're bringing him up as a defense. I've already made the point that I don't believe in the "American Dream" so your argument doesn't really make sense.
Muhammad Rasheed - What does Donald have to do with the American Dream? He's a legacy wealth baby.
Misdirection, eh?
Robert W. Carmona - Says the guy talking about Donald Trump.
Muhammad Rasheed - There are far more financially successful caucasian businessmen. I disagree with this treating Floyd like he's a monster for his successes. Like he did something wrong and is the poster child for the evils of capitalism. Like the news using that one black face to represent that biker gang incident.
Y'all are a trip...
Muhammad Rasheed - Robert W. Carmona wrote: "Says the guy talking about Donald Trump."
I don't believe you that you treat all wealthy people the same. I think it's something about Floyd and his successes that piss you off specifically. I don't believe it's the reasons you stated earlier, because none of them made any sense.
Muhammad Rasheed - Pacquiao is wealthy. Do you hate him, too? Did you hope they would knock each other out?
Muhammad Rasheed - lol
Julian Lytle - I don't think any UFC fighter can hang with any of the top boxers. That's all I have to say.
Muhammad Rasheed – A Solid Stand Up Game
Nicole Recchia - Definitely not true. All that ducking & weaving plus their wide stance, a kick boxer would eat them for breakfast.
Muhammad Rasheed - I wonder what the statistics look like for kickboxers who do well when making the transition into boxing? I would expect them to have weak punches, and to get tagged a lot.
Nicole Recchia - American & Dutch kick boxers use a very American boxing style, with power punches rather than traditional Thai style where punches are primarily setups to kicks. I don't know of any one from K1 or Muay Thai who decided to transition to boxing instead. The hardest part would be getting used to not needing to pick up your legs or worry about getting kneed or kicked in the head.
Muhammad Rasheed - To be honest, I never really paid much attention to kickboxing, until I saw Anderson Silva slaughter Rich Franklin like that.
Nicole Recchia - Definitely not true. All that ducking & weaving plus their wide stance, a kick boxer would eat them for breakfast.
Muhammad Rasheed - I wonder what the statistics look like for kickboxers who do well when making the transition into boxing? I would expect them to have weak punches, and to get tagged a lot.
Nicole Recchia - American & Dutch kick boxers use a very American boxing style, with power punches rather than traditional Thai style where punches are primarily setups to kicks. I don't know of any one from K1 or Muay Thai who decided to transition to boxing instead. The hardest part would be getting used to not needing to pick up your legs or worry about getting kneed or kicked in the head.
Muhammad Rasheed - To be honest, I never really paid much attention to kickboxing, until I saw Anderson Silva slaughter Rich Franklin like that.
Robert W. Carmona - Well I think that depends on the rules. If it's only boxing then yeah. Otherwise you've got another fight like Muhammad Ali vs Antonio Inoki.
Chris Kimball - I have 200 pounds on the guy give me 6 months of professional training I'll take him on!
Muhammad Rasheed - I would think that someone who considered him or herself to be an intellectual, would be willing to support his ideological viewpoint with reason, logic and wit, versus simply making a *sniff* noise and proclaiming that something was the way it was because he said so.
Is that the New Intellectual? No debates?
I'll just leave this right here...
Ronald Wimberly - You just threw that gauntlet in front of a peasant with a torch and a sickle in his hands. ;)
long story short. I don't identify with Mayweather. I don't identify with capitalist grandstanding. I don't identify with the pursuit of money over all other values. I don't identify with the "american dream". I don't identify with black capitalism.
I do identify with anyone who is fighting systematic oppression, regardless of how they perform their identity; be they man, woman, non-binary what have you.
I identify with Rousy because she's bad. Wether or not it's a wolf ticket, I fucks with her because of how she framed it. (also, I'd rather watch her fight.)
Finally, If Muhammed Ali followed your line of thinking about holding the line based on racial identity, he would've never sacrificed his career for his values and he would never used the ring as a political platform or used his opponent as a political foil.
Muhammad Rasheed - Ronald Wimberly wrote: “I don't identify with Mayweather. I don't identify with capitalist grandstanding. I don't identify with the pursuit of money over all other values. I do identify with anyone who is fighting systematic oppression, regardless of how they perform their identity; be they man, woman, non-binary what have you.”
Black Americans don’t have a hive mind. They don’t all think a like or even share the same dreams. They don’t share the same ideological worldview. I don’t expect to be able to identify on every level with every Black American I run into. What I do is celebrate the accomplishments and victories of those Black Americans because of the general, high-level ties I have with them. This is very important, and is a component to the survival and prosperity for our people that we all claim to want. We all need to come together on a greater, national level. We don’t need to focus on the small stuff that separates us into tribes and cliques.
Ronald Wimberly wrote: “I identify with Rousy because she's bad. Wether or not it's a wolf ticket, I fucks with her because of how she framed it.”
I like Rousey because she’s a winner with a proven skill set of success, and a great work ethic. I would never root for her over my own though. That’s insane to me.
Ronald Wimberly wrote: “Finally, If Muhammed Ali followed your line of thinking about holding the line based on racial identity, he would've never sacrificed his career for his values and he would never used the ring as a political platform or used his opponent as a political foil.”
I’m pretty sure one of the iconic phrases he used to summarize (for real this time) his position in that sacrifice was “No Viet Cong ever called me n1gger.” That certainly sounds like racial identity was a HUGE factor in why he didn’t want to go to the other side of the planet to shoot brown people for the same asshole that was attacking his own people while he said it. But of course he was actually a member of Elijah’s Nation of Islam black nationalist group at the time, too.
As I watch your 'Likes' build on your post, I'll assume your friends also disapprove of "Black Capitalism," and instead love the idea of you taking ownership of peasantry. smh
Ronald Wimberly - You watching my likes tho ;-P
Muhammad Rasheed - (i know, i'm jealous. stupid 'Likes')
Richie Pope - Hm.
Not much else to be said other than the idea that you're not less of an abuser because your'e black like me. I'm not coming together in the name of black unity over that ish.
Muhammad Rasheed - Maybe if he always did it, constantly, and was always in the news for it, you would have a point.
But this way it looks like you all are just committed to vilifying him no matter what. I think that's unfair and evil.
Richie Pope - Hm. Welp. Don't see how you vilify a man who beats women over the years.
Muhammad Rasheed - He hasn't done it since the 2010 incident and he actually got help for it and has been a better, calmer, more mature person since. So tell me what's the point of continuously throwing his old weaknesses in his face, like The Accuser of legend?
How would you feel if someone did that shit to you? Continuously, no matter how you've changed?
Richie Pope - He hasn't beat a woman in 5 whole years!
*round of applause*
I'm done.
Muhammad Rasheed - More importantly, he got the help he needed, and hasn't had an incident in 5 years. He recognized he had a problem, and he got help. I don't agree that it deserves a round of applause, but it certainly doesn't deserve the guillotine.
Richie Pope - People, especially here, are just like "Yea, I don't eff with him because of that (among other trash things he's done)" That aint the guillotine.
Muhammad Rasheed - lol That's not what it reads like.
What "other trash things?"
Muhammad Rasheed - In fact, it reads like that same bs that mindset used to talk on Michael Jackson.
Richie Pope - Saying pretty prejudice ish to Manny I believe because he's Asian but I'll leave you to it.
Muhammad Rasheed - Really? During same time that Manny and his camp talked trash on him trying to get him to do this fight? Do you hear yourself?
Richie Pope - Bye, bruh.
Muhammad Rasheed - smh
Muhammad Rasheed - ("my people, my people")
Richie Pope - Same ^
Muhammad Rasheed - It's okay. I actually don't expect you all to be any different. I'm just probing to attempt to understand the mentality better for myself.
Muhammad Rasheed - Peace.
Richie Pope - Anyone reading this, it's totally okay to just dip out when you don't feel like talking to someone anymore. You didn't lose no faux-intellectual fight.
Muhammad Rasheed - "We agree with you, Richie! We prefer to vilify a guy because the mainstream said to, and to continuously throw his weaknesses in his face just because! We should stick together for our cause!"
Chris Kindred - #notallabusers
Muhammad Rasheed - Chris, we're actually talking about just one person in specific. The whole point of the thread is a case study on one particular individual. The details of his life actually matter.
Muhammad Rasheed - Forgive me, but I have a problem with anything that looks like sheeple group-think with a disdain for analysis.
Richie Pope - Being the odd-man-out opinion-wise =/= everyone else is group-think, though.
Muhammad Rasheed - Suurrrre. That's how that works. lol
Kevin Michael Roberts - Here's a list of all the people benefitting from you playing devil's advocate:
Muhammad Rasheed - lol
Muhammad Rasheed - I'm actually not playing devil's advocate. I am 100% serious.
In every way.
Muhammad Rasheed - Probing into this issue, and searching to test the strength of what you are using to support your anti-Floyd viewpoint, is benefiting me.
Chris Kindred - Sounds like you bullshittin cause you're wrong af but whatever floats yours
Muhammad Rasheed - PROVE that I'm wrong. What do you have? Throw down your rod.
Proclaiming magically that I'm wrong doesn't mean much outside of your sheeple coven, where FB 'Likes' rain down like Lucky Charms® marshmallows.
Chris Kindred - Please chill. What (and this is a rhetorical question, not to solicit an actual response) can I possibly say to make you change your viewpoint? Me telling you anything wouldn't get you to change you by extension condoning Mayweather's misogyny.
Muhammad Rasheed - TRANSLATION: "I don't have an argument to support the intense anti-Floyd viewpoint, so I have no idea what to say that can prove that you are wrong in your stance. All I know is that he does have a history of striking women, and nothing else matters, not even the fact that he got help to keep him from doing it again."
Chris Kindred - He beats/hits/abuses women and is prejudiced to nonblack poc. That alone is enough reason to never defend him ever
Muhammad Rasheed - I suppose it's possible that I merely stumbled upon a bad batch of pathetically impotent intellectuals, who somehow believe that turning their noses up in the air, and calling me names is a valid substitute for a reasoned, logical argument to back their viewpoint.
Perhaps I should "chill."
Chris Kindred - "Perhaps I should 'chill.'"
Now you're catching on.
But really though, I'm out. Have fun debating to literally no one.
Muhammad Rasheed - Chris Kindred wrote: "He beats/hits/abuses women..."
That would actually be "beat/hit/abused" past tense. He doesn't do that anymore. He's not a pariah.
Chris Kindred wrote: "...and is prejudiced to nonblack poc."
*groan* Do I even WANT to know what you think you're talking about here? Don't answer; it's rhetorical.
Muhammad Rasheed - Chris Kindred wrote: "Have fun debating to literally no one."
It was fun for a minute, before your heavy hitters blew their wad and were left with nothing. I'm experienced enough to recognize that if folk had an argument they wouldn't hesitate in providing it.
"Literally no one" was a slight against yourselves. ;)
Muhammad Rasheed - In fact, the strength of your argument... or the lack thereof as the case maybe... probably helps feed the high-horse I was accused of riding earlier. May have to look into that some more. [takes notes]
Henry Rembert - "Prove he's a terrible person"
"He is physically abusive to women."
"Not since 2010!!"
Ronald Wimberly - For once and probably the last time, I'm gonna take a lesson from Mayweather and not bother to enter into a dispute below my pay grade and technical ability.
Reggie Johnston - I recognize his hand game and him being the greatest defensive boxer of all time but he's carrying too much baggage for me to be singing his praises anymore.
N Steven Harris - I don't follow boxing or Mayweather, but I think something should be said about someone who has addressed his abusive actions and hasn't been abusive since. At least the jury is out until further notice. Otherwise what incentive is there to try and be a better person?
Ronald Wimberly - uh... the incentive for being abetter person is to BE A BETTER PERSON
N Steven Harris - That is one of them. But I did walk into that one.
Muhammad Rasheed - Since he got help, he IS being a better person. So what's the problem? How about a "Good job; keep it up" instead of the "F*ck you, n*gger! We hope you burn forever in the hell we don't believe in because we will NEVER, EVER forgive you EVER!"
Chris Miller - So how come she never wanted to fight War Machine after what he did to Christy Mack ? Am I to believe she is only concerned about this one black man and not the abusive fighters in her own sport.
Muhammad Rasheed - O_O
Emily Marinaro - Why is it that male athletes who beat women are defended by ANYONE? Not to mention it's such a double standard and doesn't apply (read: as often) outside of these athletes who make bananas money (and we keep paying into it, such as this recent fight) It's not like anyone was ever like, 'yeah, it's such a shame to fire Bob, he was so good at marketing'.
Muhammad Rasheed - This is a strawman.
I'm defending him on this item because:
1.) He's clearly trying to be better and deserves the chance to prove he's gotten better as do we all. His women folk forgave him (one was celebrating him at ringside during the last fight with their children).
2.) I have a strong aversion against disliking a black person just because all of White America decides to hate him. It makes me want to dig deeper into their story beyond the popular sheeple narrative to the human underneath the bullshit.
Emily Marinaro - 1) I don't defend anyone who discriminates or Physically harms another person, period.
2) see 1...this isn't about following a rhetoric, it's about defending someone who hurt other people, physically, past or present. I hope he has gotten help and people have forgiven him, but that doesn't mean I have to be OK w someone who beat up a woman. Its something that I'm not OK with, probably bc I'm a female and can identify; go figure.
Muhammad Rasheed - I'm not okay with striking women either. I'm also not okay with sending people to pariah hell forever after they have made the effort to be better and genuinely recognize they have a problem that needs to be overcome.
And I certainly have a problem with people who want to treat a black man like that, but will tell black people as a whole to "get over it" when it comes to their own peoples' historical evils (which certainly involved horrifying abuse to my people's women).
Muhammad Rasheed - Whoa... I just spotted a hypocrisy moment...
So aren't you all the same lot that reject the concept of God because you find the idea of a hell that lasts forever to be unacceptable, yet you want to condemn Mayweather for a sin he's repented of and struggling to overcome and never, ever forgive him?
Thank God you're not God, eh? For His Path is easier and His burdens are light, and He doesn't condemn us to hell when we repent and be better. No one goes to hell who repent and make a sincere effort to be better people, covering over their past wrong with good deeds to help people. As Floyd continues to do btw.
Meg Gandy - don't bring religion into this. and don't pretend a couple years good behavior is remotely the same as true reformation. if he's truly repented, and god truly forgives him, that's a private matter no one will ever fucking see. certainly not you. real repentance is a daily fucking choice. it is not easy and it is not light and it requires breaking patterns of thought and behavior so very internal to a person that the likelihood of this man having pulled it off? is intensely low. he has left scars on many people, women and children both, that will take lifetimes to heal. and the fact you have more sympathy for this serial abuser than for his victims? makes your self righteousness absolutely abominable. go the fuck back to your bible and pray some more.
Muhammad Rasheed - Meg Gandy wrote: “don't bring religion into this. and don't pretend a couple years good behavior is remotely the same as true reformation.”
Is that an order from the authority granted to you by the force of your white privilege, your highness? “Oh snap! I was just told not to do something by whoever this is! I’d better hop to!” [salute]
Meg Gandy wrote: “if he's truly repented, and god truly forgives him, that's a private matter no one will ever fucking see.”
Exactly. So stop throwing his weaknesses in his face all the time.
Meg Gandy wrote: “certainly not you.”
Certainly not his judgmental, unforgiving critics.
Meg Gandy wrote: “real repentance is a daily fucking choice. it is not easy and it is not light and it requires breaking patterns of thought and behavior so very internal to a person that the likelihood of this man having pulled it off? is intensely low.”
Since 2010 is a pretty good run for someone really trying. So if the likelihood of pulling it off is low, then he’s a champion.
Meg Gandy wrote: “he has left scars on many people, women and children both, that will take lifetimes to heal.”
Most of these folk were celebrating him at ringside. Looks like they are all healing fine together.
Meg Gandy wrote: “and the fact you have more sympathy for this serial abuser than for his victims?”
Based on what? Strawman argument magic?
Meg Gandy wrote: “makes your self righteousness absolutely abominable.”
*snort* Stuff you make up out of thin air can be abominable if that’s the force you wish to subscribe to it. Doesn’t mean much to me though.
Meg Gandy wrote: “go the fuck back to your bible and pray some more.”
Another direct order from the princess of white privilege? I’m honored to have gotten an audience! *genuflect*
Meg Gandy - if you're trying to set off my white guilt, best of luck to you. you seem to be pretty well practiced at fucking with people. i'm sure jesus approves. no, sweetheart. i'm not telling you to knock that shit off because you're black. i'm telling you to knock that shit off because your bullshit is why i left the church: so many assholes all so quick to claim god's grace for themselves while denying it to those who actually fucking need it. and this very very rich athlete does not need god's grace. he has it in spades. but you know what they say about rich men and the kingdom of heaven.
Muhammad Rasheed - Meg Gandy wrote: “if you're trying to set off my white guilt, best of luck to you.”
I’m actually trying to curb your penchant for ordering me around. It’s annoying as shit. Do I have to show you my Freed Man Papers? jesus…
Meg Gandy wrote: “you seem to be pretty well practiced at fucking with people.”
Do you feel fucked with? awww…
Meg Gandy wrote: “i'm sure jesus approves.”
I’m pretty sure Jesus doesn’t care what’s going on on earth right now. If I was a Christian I’d perhaps think differently though. They tend to give him a higher rank, y’know?
Meg Gandy wrote: “no, sweetheart.”
*blush* stop.
Meg Gandy wrote: “i'm not telling you to knock that shit off because you're black. i'm telling you to knock that shit off because your bullshit is why i left the church”
*needle on the Irony Meter® jumps*
Meg Gandy wrote: “so many assholes all so quick to claim god's grace for themselves while denying it to those who actually fucking need it.”
You must walk around with a bagful of strawman arguments. Is it heavy?
Meg Gandy wrote: “and this very very rich athlete does not need god's grace.”
Right. Because materialistic wealth is ALLLLLLLL about God’s grace & mercy. lol That’s the real reason you left the church, your highness. You didn’t learn a single fucking thing. But please. Keep trying to school me on religion. You’re AWESOME at it. *snicker*
Meg Gandy wrote: “he has it in spades.”
Please stop pretending you know what God’s Grace is, and who has it or not. ugh.
Meg Gandy wrote: “but you know what they say about rich men and the kingdom of heaven.”
Yeah. I DO. Do you? [calling bluff]
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long story short. I don't identify with Mayweather. I don't identify with capitalist grandstanding. I don't identify with the pursuit of money over all other values. I don't identify with the "american dream". I don't identify with black capitalism.
I do identify with anyone who is fighting systematic oppression, regardless of how they perform their identity; be they man, woman, non-binary what have you.
I identify with Rousy because she's bad. Wether or not it's a wolf ticket, I fucks with her because of how she framed it. (also, I'd rather watch her fight.)
Finally, If Muhammed Ali followed your line of thinking about holding the line based on racial identity, he would've never sacrificed his career for his values and he would never used the ring as a political platform or used his opponent as a political foil.
Muhammad Rasheed - Ronald Wimberly wrote: “I don't identify with Mayweather. I don't identify with capitalist grandstanding. I don't identify with the pursuit of money over all other values. I do identify with anyone who is fighting systematic oppression, regardless of how they perform their identity; be they man, woman, non-binary what have you.”
Black Americans don’t have a hive mind. They don’t all think a like or even share the same dreams. They don’t share the same ideological worldview. I don’t expect to be able to identify on every level with every Black American I run into. What I do is celebrate the accomplishments and victories of those Black Americans because of the general, high-level ties I have with them. This is very important, and is a component to the survival and prosperity for our people that we all claim to want. We all need to come together on a greater, national level. We don’t need to focus on the small stuff that separates us into tribes and cliques.
Ronald Wimberly wrote: “I identify with Rousy because she's bad. Wether or not it's a wolf ticket, I fucks with her because of how she framed it.”
I like Rousey because she’s a winner with a proven skill set of success, and a great work ethic. I would never root for her over my own though. That’s insane to me.
Ronald Wimberly wrote: “Finally, If Muhammed Ali followed your line of thinking about holding the line based on racial identity, he would've never sacrificed his career for his values and he would never used the ring as a political platform or used his opponent as a political foil.”
I’m pretty sure one of the iconic phrases he used to summarize (for real this time) his position in that sacrifice was “No Viet Cong ever called me n1gger.” That certainly sounds like racial identity was a HUGE factor in why he didn’t want to go to the other side of the planet to shoot brown people for the same asshole that was attacking his own people while he said it. But of course he was actually a member of Elijah’s Nation of Islam black nationalist group at the time, too.
As I watch your 'Likes' build on your post, I'll assume your friends also disapprove of "Black Capitalism," and instead love the idea of you taking ownership of peasantry. smh
Ronald Wimberly - You watching my likes tho ;-P
Muhammad Rasheed - (i know, i'm jealous. stupid 'Likes')
Richie Pope - Hm.
Not much else to be said other than the idea that you're not less of an abuser because your'e black like me. I'm not coming together in the name of black unity over that ish.
Muhammad Rasheed - Maybe if he always did it, constantly, and was always in the news for it, you would have a point.
But this way it looks like you all are just committed to vilifying him no matter what. I think that's unfair and evil.
Richie Pope - Hm. Welp. Don't see how you vilify a man who beats women over the years.
Muhammad Rasheed - He hasn't done it since the 2010 incident and he actually got help for it and has been a better, calmer, more mature person since. So tell me what's the point of continuously throwing his old weaknesses in his face, like The Accuser of legend?
How would you feel if someone did that shit to you? Continuously, no matter how you've changed?
Richie Pope - He hasn't beat a woman in 5 whole years!
*round of applause*
I'm done.
Muhammad Rasheed - More importantly, he got the help he needed, and hasn't had an incident in 5 years. He recognized he had a problem, and he got help. I don't agree that it deserves a round of applause, but it certainly doesn't deserve the guillotine.
Richie Pope - People, especially here, are just like "Yea, I don't eff with him because of that (among other trash things he's done)" That aint the guillotine.
Muhammad Rasheed - lol That's not what it reads like.
What "other trash things?"
Muhammad Rasheed - In fact, it reads like that same bs that mindset used to talk on Michael Jackson.
Richie Pope - Saying pretty prejudice ish to Manny I believe because he's Asian but I'll leave you to it.
Muhammad Rasheed - Really? During same time that Manny and his camp talked trash on him trying to get him to do this fight? Do you hear yourself?
Richie Pope - Bye, bruh.
Muhammad Rasheed - smh
Muhammad Rasheed - ("my people, my people")
Richie Pope - Same ^
Muhammad Rasheed - It's okay. I actually don't expect you all to be any different. I'm just probing to attempt to understand the mentality better for myself.
Muhammad Rasheed - Peace.
Richie Pope - Anyone reading this, it's totally okay to just dip out when you don't feel like talking to someone anymore. You didn't lose no faux-intellectual fight.
Muhammad Rasheed - "We agree with you, Richie! We prefer to vilify a guy because the mainstream said to, and to continuously throw his weaknesses in his face just because! We should stick together for our cause!"
Chris Kindred - #notallabusers
Muhammad Rasheed - Chris, we're actually talking about just one person in specific. The whole point of the thread is a case study on one particular individual. The details of his life actually matter.
Muhammad Rasheed - Forgive me, but I have a problem with anything that looks like sheeple group-think with a disdain for analysis.
Richie Pope - Being the odd-man-out opinion-wise =/= everyone else is group-think, though.
Muhammad Rasheed - Suurrrre. That's how that works. lol
Kevin Michael Roberts - Here's a list of all the people benefitting from you playing devil's advocate:
Muhammad Rasheed - lol
Muhammad Rasheed - I'm actually not playing devil's advocate. I am 100% serious.
In every way.
Muhammad Rasheed - Probing into this issue, and searching to test the strength of what you are using to support your anti-Floyd viewpoint, is benefiting me.
Chris Kindred - Sounds like you bullshittin cause you're wrong af but whatever floats yours
Muhammad Rasheed - PROVE that I'm wrong. What do you have? Throw down your rod.
Proclaiming magically that I'm wrong doesn't mean much outside of your sheeple coven, where FB 'Likes' rain down like Lucky Charms® marshmallows.
Chris Kindred - Please chill. What (and this is a rhetorical question, not to solicit an actual response) can I possibly say to make you change your viewpoint? Me telling you anything wouldn't get you to change you by extension condoning Mayweather's misogyny.
Muhammad Rasheed - TRANSLATION: "I don't have an argument to support the intense anti-Floyd viewpoint, so I have no idea what to say that can prove that you are wrong in your stance. All I know is that he does have a history of striking women, and nothing else matters, not even the fact that he got help to keep him from doing it again."
Chris Kindred - He beats/hits/abuses women and is prejudiced to nonblack poc. That alone is enough reason to never defend him ever
Muhammad Rasheed - I suppose it's possible that I merely stumbled upon a bad batch of pathetically impotent intellectuals, who somehow believe that turning their noses up in the air, and calling me names is a valid substitute for a reasoned, logical argument to back their viewpoint.
Perhaps I should "chill."
Chris Kindred - "Perhaps I should 'chill.'"
Now you're catching on.
But really though, I'm out. Have fun debating to literally no one.
Muhammad Rasheed - Chris Kindred wrote: "He beats/hits/abuses women..."
That would actually be "beat/hit/abused" past tense. He doesn't do that anymore. He's not a pariah.
Chris Kindred wrote: "...and is prejudiced to nonblack poc."
*groan* Do I even WANT to know what you think you're talking about here? Don't answer; it's rhetorical.
Muhammad Rasheed - Chris Kindred wrote: "Have fun debating to literally no one."
It was fun for a minute, before your heavy hitters blew their wad and were left with nothing. I'm experienced enough to recognize that if folk had an argument they wouldn't hesitate in providing it.
"Literally no one" was a slight against yourselves. ;)
Muhammad Rasheed - In fact, the strength of your argument... or the lack thereof as the case maybe... probably helps feed the high-horse I was accused of riding earlier. May have to look into that some more. [takes notes]
Henry Rembert - "Prove he's a terrible person"
"He is physically abusive to women."
"Not since 2010!!"
Ronald Wimberly - For once and probably the last time, I'm gonna take a lesson from Mayweather and not bother to enter into a dispute below my pay grade and technical ability.
Reggie Johnston - I recognize his hand game and him being the greatest defensive boxer of all time but he's carrying too much baggage for me to be singing his praises anymore.
N Steven Harris - I don't follow boxing or Mayweather, but I think something should be said about someone who has addressed his abusive actions and hasn't been abusive since. At least the jury is out until further notice. Otherwise what incentive is there to try and be a better person?
Ronald Wimberly - uh... the incentive for being abetter person is to BE A BETTER PERSON
N Steven Harris - That is one of them. But I did walk into that one.
Muhammad Rasheed - Since he got help, he IS being a better person. So what's the problem? How about a "Good job; keep it up" instead of the "F*ck you, n*gger! We hope you burn forever in the hell we don't believe in because we will NEVER, EVER forgive you EVER!"
Chris Miller - So how come she never wanted to fight War Machine after what he did to Christy Mack ? Am I to believe she is only concerned about this one black man and not the abusive fighters in her own sport.
Muhammad Rasheed - O_O
Emily Marinaro - Why is it that male athletes who beat women are defended by ANYONE? Not to mention it's such a double standard and doesn't apply (read: as often) outside of these athletes who make bananas money (and we keep paying into it, such as this recent fight) It's not like anyone was ever like, 'yeah, it's such a shame to fire Bob, he was so good at marketing'.
Muhammad Rasheed - This is a strawman.
I'm defending him on this item because:
1.) He's clearly trying to be better and deserves the chance to prove he's gotten better as do we all. His women folk forgave him (one was celebrating him at ringside during the last fight with their children).
2.) I have a strong aversion against disliking a black person just because all of White America decides to hate him. It makes me want to dig deeper into their story beyond the popular sheeple narrative to the human underneath the bullshit.
Emily Marinaro - 1) I don't defend anyone who discriminates or Physically harms another person, period.
2) see 1...this isn't about following a rhetoric, it's about defending someone who hurt other people, physically, past or present. I hope he has gotten help and people have forgiven him, but that doesn't mean I have to be OK w someone who beat up a woman. Its something that I'm not OK with, probably bc I'm a female and can identify; go figure.
Muhammad Rasheed - I'm not okay with striking women either. I'm also not okay with sending people to pariah hell forever after they have made the effort to be better and genuinely recognize they have a problem that needs to be overcome.
And I certainly have a problem with people who want to treat a black man like that, but will tell black people as a whole to "get over it" when it comes to their own peoples' historical evils (which certainly involved horrifying abuse to my people's women).
Muhammad Rasheed - Whoa... I just spotted a hypocrisy moment...
So aren't you all the same lot that reject the concept of God because you find the idea of a hell that lasts forever to be unacceptable, yet you want to condemn Mayweather for a sin he's repented of and struggling to overcome and never, ever forgive him?
Thank God you're not God, eh? For His Path is easier and His burdens are light, and He doesn't condemn us to hell when we repent and be better. No one goes to hell who repent and make a sincere effort to be better people, covering over their past wrong with good deeds to help people. As Floyd continues to do btw.
Meg Gandy - don't bring religion into this. and don't pretend a couple years good behavior is remotely the same as true reformation. if he's truly repented, and god truly forgives him, that's a private matter no one will ever fucking see. certainly not you. real repentance is a daily fucking choice. it is not easy and it is not light and it requires breaking patterns of thought and behavior so very internal to a person that the likelihood of this man having pulled it off? is intensely low. he has left scars on many people, women and children both, that will take lifetimes to heal. and the fact you have more sympathy for this serial abuser than for his victims? makes your self righteousness absolutely abominable. go the fuck back to your bible and pray some more.
Muhammad Rasheed - Meg Gandy wrote: “don't bring religion into this. and don't pretend a couple years good behavior is remotely the same as true reformation.”
Is that an order from the authority granted to you by the force of your white privilege, your highness? “Oh snap! I was just told not to do something by whoever this is! I’d better hop to!” [salute]
Meg Gandy wrote: “if he's truly repented, and god truly forgives him, that's a private matter no one will ever fucking see.”
Exactly. So stop throwing his weaknesses in his face all the time.
Meg Gandy wrote: “certainly not you.”
Certainly not his judgmental, unforgiving critics.
Meg Gandy wrote: “real repentance is a daily fucking choice. it is not easy and it is not light and it requires breaking patterns of thought and behavior so very internal to a person that the likelihood of this man having pulled it off? is intensely low.”
Since 2010 is a pretty good run for someone really trying. So if the likelihood of pulling it off is low, then he’s a champion.
Meg Gandy wrote: “he has left scars on many people, women and children both, that will take lifetimes to heal.”
Most of these folk were celebrating him at ringside. Looks like they are all healing fine together.
Meg Gandy wrote: “and the fact you have more sympathy for this serial abuser than for his victims?”
Based on what? Strawman argument magic?
Meg Gandy wrote: “makes your self righteousness absolutely abominable.”
*snort* Stuff you make up out of thin air can be abominable if that’s the force you wish to subscribe to it. Doesn’t mean much to me though.
Meg Gandy wrote: “go the fuck back to your bible and pray some more.”
Another direct order from the princess of white privilege? I’m honored to have gotten an audience! *genuflect*
Meg Gandy - if you're trying to set off my white guilt, best of luck to you. you seem to be pretty well practiced at fucking with people. i'm sure jesus approves. no, sweetheart. i'm not telling you to knock that shit off because you're black. i'm telling you to knock that shit off because your bullshit is why i left the church: so many assholes all so quick to claim god's grace for themselves while denying it to those who actually fucking need it. and this very very rich athlete does not need god's grace. he has it in spades. but you know what they say about rich men and the kingdom of heaven.
Muhammad Rasheed - Meg Gandy wrote: “if you're trying to set off my white guilt, best of luck to you.”
I’m actually trying to curb your penchant for ordering me around. It’s annoying as shit. Do I have to show you my Freed Man Papers? jesus…
Meg Gandy wrote: “you seem to be pretty well practiced at fucking with people.”
Do you feel fucked with? awww…
Meg Gandy wrote: “i'm sure jesus approves.”
I’m pretty sure Jesus doesn’t care what’s going on on earth right now. If I was a Christian I’d perhaps think differently though. They tend to give him a higher rank, y’know?
Meg Gandy wrote: “no, sweetheart.”
*blush* stop.
Meg Gandy wrote: “i'm not telling you to knock that shit off because you're black. i'm telling you to knock that shit off because your bullshit is why i left the church”
*needle on the Irony Meter® jumps*
Meg Gandy wrote: “so many assholes all so quick to claim god's grace for themselves while denying it to those who actually fucking need it.”
You must walk around with a bagful of strawman arguments. Is it heavy?
Meg Gandy wrote: “and this very very rich athlete does not need god's grace.”
Right. Because materialistic wealth is ALLLLLLLL about God’s grace & mercy. lol That’s the real reason you left the church, your highness. You didn’t learn a single fucking thing. But please. Keep trying to school me on religion. You’re AWESOME at it. *snicker*
Meg Gandy wrote: “he has it in spades.”
Please stop pretending you know what God’s Grace is, and who has it or not. ugh.
Meg Gandy wrote: “but you know what they say about rich men and the kingdom of heaven.”
Yeah. I DO. Do you? [calling bluff]
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