Sunday, May 14, 2017
Return to the FRAY!
Rex May - Thanks for adding me. I've done a few blog posts on Jack Vance. Here's the latest.
John Justin Green - Excellent posts Rex May. Vance was certainly devoted to reality and not any idiology. And yes indeed we are at war with an enemy which is Alien to us. Dispationate analysis will always be called hate by the enemy and its allies. This is not even a war based on reason. It is nothing more than a basis animal struggle of primates dominating other primates. That is why the most absurd arguments are given ground as they are always backed by intimidation. The intimidation is the true determining factor. But here we can at least entertain our ideas without fear. But we even had a period here in this group when the Rashid our devout Muslim member was mirroring our posts on his own blog. This was intimidating because it made members private group statements public. This is not welcome. But feel free to venture to Rashid's blog and post if you want. I did do for a time.
Read my post about the effect of slavery on inherited biology. I have not pursued it but if you are interested I will likely continue it.
Muhammad Rasheed - The fact that you so carelessly misspelled "ideology" says everything that I needed to know about both your thought process and the quality of this post. lol
Muhammad Rasheed - Re: "this is not welcome"
Just curb your itch for wanting to spew the n-word whenever you get frustrated, and control your batshit tendency to make up "we bred you negro bucks & wenches back when America was GREAT!" type comments, and you can relax.
Muhammad Rasheed - By the way, you aren't at war with an alien enemy. You're at war with the caricatured effigy you substituted for your demonized rival, in order to justify your exploitation system with a manufactured synthetic free conscience.
John Justin Green - I don't think you have the brains for discussion. Are you trying to come across unanchored, swimming in complex delusions?
I'm not sure if you are referring to my use of Alien or the use in Rex's blog. But Islam and western ccivilization are incompatable and the relationship is fairly called alien. And by western I mean the basis of it being the emancipation of the individual from being a subject. Surely you are not going to pretend Islam consists of a similar basis.
John Justin Green - Rashid you must not be paying attention. I've explained more than once now that the effect on biologic inheritance from slavery was done over much greater time than blacks have lived in this land. I'm not give western culture much of the credit for what has been done to you.
Muhammad Rasheed - 1.) It's difficult to take your "Islam and Western civilization are incompatible" comment seriously since Islam/Qur'an were part of the toolkit used to build the republic by the founding fathers. Your ignorance of this fact is just as telling as your anti-Islam xenophobic biases.
2.) Your explanations regarding the Black race, which come directly out of White Supremacist Ideology, mean just as much to me as specialized temptations of satan for sins I happen not to have a propensity for. lol Why do you sound so confused when I casually dismiss racist rhetoric as if it is nonsense?
Can you somehow believe it isn't nonsense? How is that? ;)
John Justin Green - 1) Show me. I dont believe that. In fact I think they were pretty ignorant about Islam.
John Justin Green - 2) I have not yet explained anything so whatever you thing is from something you cal White Supremacy Ideology of which I have no clue about is coming not from me but from your own dark mind.
Muhammad Rasheed - 1.) I'm not surprised, since you oft demonstrate a tendency to project your own ignorance upon others. Why would the original architects of the republic escape your poo throwing? Here: The Founding Fathers and Islam
Muhammad Rasheed - 2.) Did I just discover arguments on the Internet? Was the computer invented yesterday? John, I am in constant battle in various forums, message boards, private messages, and social media threads. Some of you lot are better at masking the racism in your heart than others, but you all wear the same tells.
HINT: The wordier you are, O Jack Vance fan, the more likely you are to give away your true thoughts. ;)
John Justin Green - I am trying to give away my thought you imbecile. Thanks for enlightening me. What I know is there was not an understanding of your doctrin. That was made clear by the reports about what was a revelation to the US leaders during the Barbary Pirate problem. Thier notes suggest they had no idea Islam was so vile.
Rex May - @Muhammad Rasheed…
John Justin Green - My suspicion was not negated by the historical document Muhammad Rasheed offered as it confirmed there were pro Islamic argument but does not detail the argument at all and offers no clue as to what depth of knowledge they had. So the logical speculation is they were not aware of how the totalitarian nature of Islam as that would have been obviously incompatible with the civil rules they were developing.
Muhammad Rasheed - I've detailed the argument for you on numerous occasions, and revealed that both you, and your Churchill, can see no further than your quasi-deformed olfactory appendage.
Muhammad Rasheed - So you think that the extremely well-read founding fathers were somehow LESS informed about Islam than you are? lol
How many countries did you create from scratch btw, John?
John Justin Green - Or they hoped all the safeguards would prevent the problem. But they did not expect this to last anyway.
John Justin Green - Yes I have more history to view. It is reasonable because the historical evidence of Marxism and communism was not available. And Islam has been doctoring the books for appearances. So I'm not at all confident they got you.
Muhammad Rasheed - Doctoring what books, John?
Rex May - I've been saying for years, islam has its good points and its bad points. Incompatibility with Western Culture and other cultures is one of the bad ones.
John Justin Green - Doctoring as in fixing. With flame. Redacting your main public consumption book. Controlling what is allowed to be written. We can only imagine what was erased from history. And of ccoursethe massing thought control effort Islam makes is effective. We can only imagine what was destroyed. And of course this manipulation is hoped to be kept behind the scenes. But truth is hard to hide to such a degree.
John Justin Green - Today we have seen many authors in hiding or killed. You do not allow any critical detailing if you can stop it. The poor founding fathers did not have a chance to know you IMO. Today information is much harder to control.
Muhammad Rasheed - @Rex... How is it incompatible with the West exactly? Give me three examples, please.
Muhammad Rasheed - @John... What proof do you have of this doctoring? Or is this a case of you believing what your team just made up in your propaganda? Do you have any proof?
Rex May - @Muhammad Rasheed… blsdphrmy laws, polygamy, criminalization of apostasy.
John Justin Green - Doctoring is a metaphor for trying to effect the message. So I am wondering why you would ask for proof after my answer. Do you deny writings are destroyed or that the purpose is for other than effecting perception? Maybe they burned the books just for a nice warm fire? Are you denying the consequence has been intimidation and murder for authors who produce works critical of Islam? Was the Koran not redacted? You are posting like your own life depends on being an all out propagandist if you can not not accept such an obvious thing.
John Justin Green - @Rex… it has always seemed that he just cant accept anything other than what he desires in dialog. I have never seen him acknowledge a point critical of Islam. His arguing has become absurd to avoid acknowledgement. I wish he would try acknowledging reasonable criticisms but instead he keeps fighting like the black knight missing all his limbs. But it could be worse as he doesn't insist the Earth is flat.
John Justin Green - Of course the nice thing about burning and murder is that ashes and dead men tell no tales. There seems to be a reliance on this deniability and the response of 'prove it' to be the common reliable shelter of the criminal.
John Justin Green - Noncupatory...
Muhammad Rasheed - Rex May wrote: "blsdphrmy laws, criminalization of apostasy"
Well, those two items have nothing to do with the religion, and are actually cultural taint from the legacy of European colonialism. So you have no argument against Islam itself.
Why Blasphemy Laws Are Actually Anti-Islamic
Muhammad Rasheed - Rex May wrote: "polygamy"
Allah allowed up to four wives under very specific circumstances, and even within those conditions, He still advised to only have one wife as the best practice for those who are righteous.
In other words, polygamy is actually discouraged in the faith itself by God's decree (4:2-5 "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with them, then only one..."). So you have no argument against Islam on that score either.
What else do you have? I've been Muslim nearly all of my life, and I've had no problems living in the USA, except when some xenophobic bigots attacked my family. The issue was with them, you see, not with me.
Muhammad Rasheed - John Justin Green wrote: "I have never seen him acknowledge a point critical of Islam."
As the posts above demonstrate, it's because everything you think about my religion is wrong. Wishing it wasn't so hasn't really helped your position. lol
Muhammad Rasheed - John Justin Green wrote: "So I am wondering why you would ask for proof after my answer."
'Proof' is a synonym for 'evidence.' This is the material that determines if an assertion is either a fact or a fiction, based on whether it is available or not, and it performs in this function thus and so:
If an assertion has proof to support it, then it is a fact. If an assertion does not have proof to support it, it is a fiction.
Criticisms cannot be considered reasonable without the evidence that supports their accusations. Please try harder. What books were supposed to have been burned?
John Justin Green - Evidence of burned books, redaction, intimidation? You really think denying there is evidence is not absurd? You are either pathologically stuck as a propagandist or delusional. This conversation is noncupatory.
Rex May - @Muhammad Rasheed… And polygamy is prohibited in the Book of Mormon, but the Mormons practiced it anyway. It's what Muslims actually do that counts, not what the Koran says.
Muhammad Rasheed - @John... Notice that I didn't deny evidence, I merely asked you to provide it. That means it's in YOUR court whether such material is denied or not.
Can you provide it? Yes or no?
Muhammad Rasheed - @Rex... You're being silly. If the religion doesn't condone a practice, but the people do it anyway, how is the practice rationally still being blamed on the religion? hahaha
Do you ever try to make sense? Obviously it's impossible for you to see pass your xenophobic bias.
Rex May - The fact that one piece of scripture contradicts a widespread practice within the religion does not mean that the religion 'doesn't condone' it. And you know that very well.
Rex May - This reminds me of communists who say that Marx didn't condone mass murder, therefore, communism as a movement can't be held responsible for mass murders.
John Justin Green - Prove? You mean post internet links to reports about Rushdie, or murdered cartoonists or regarding the edits in the Koran or on book burning? If you do not believe any of this occurs now with such common news I guess I can not satisfy you and more effort is pointless except for you to enjoy watching me dance for you. So once again, what you post is now absurd. noncopatory
John Justin Green - I am not thinking Rasheed knows at a deeper level he can not defend or nagate our points but has a pathologic psychology that demands he post some pretense of an effective counter. He always talks about sword play. In sword play the children must agree on wether the strike was effective. So a persistent child can get the others to agree he won just to shut him up. I believe this is his strategy. But it would be better to not thing of a battle but of an exchange of ideas.
John Justin Green - So I suspect if we just don't respond to his repetitive absurd denials he can feel it means we lost. Haha
John Justin Green - Funny that I am truly a Mormon. Polygamy is not condoned by the Church of Later Day Saints. The Mormons who do this are outside the church. It's not canon. And I am just on the books baptised as a child. I do not follow them. I am Orthodox Catholic. The original Christian church.
Rex May - I was referring to the original Mormons, who were indeed polygamists despite the prohibition in the Book of Mormon.
Rex May - It's not jusr Muslims. Many groups are inxompatible with the Wesr.
John Justin Green - I am not sure if polygamy was ever put in writing to be a acceptable practice or not. Just like Islam, Mormons created a system of government which was used when they were on their own in the West. I would not be surprised if polygamy was not written down as policy somewhere. Islam also has other references on governing and rules on life and it is pretty comprehensive. But if Rasheed says polygamy is not advised I believe it.
Rex May - @John Justin Green… Can you define Orthodox Catholic so I'll know jusr what you mean…
John Justin Green - Before the great split where the archdiocese in Rome left the church and morphed into the Roman Catholic Church. The original orthodox Church remians and is known commonly by the various archdiocese - Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox , Antiochian Orthodox..
Rex May - Got it. Thanks.
Muhammad Rasheed - @Rex... Please don't say "And you know that very well" since we think fundamentally differently about literally everything. Such comments are nonsensical coming from you lot.
That "one piece of scripture" is the divine Word of God, you ninny. If it contradicts a practice, then by default, that means the practice is falsely attributed to the religion.
Especially when the disbelieving hellbound, such as yourself, is the one performing the attribution. :)
There is no priesthood in Islam. Attempts to claim such positions are by no means universally accepted by the body.
Muhammad Rasheed - John wrote: "But if Rasheed says polygamy is not advised I believe it."
The quote I posted was from the Qur'an. It was God telling us this restriction; I didn't make it up.
Muhammad Rasheed – John wrote: “reports about Rushdie”
Rushdie wrote an old rumor into a novel and several Islamic communities got upset about it. A few leaders from the shia sect called for his death. I am not of the shia sect, so your reference means nothing to me at all as a Muslim. Should it? I posted the link where the guy explained to you that the 'blasphemy laws' aren't of Islam, did I not? So why do you prefer to hold onto falsehoods about my faith when it is well documented that what you believe about it is indeed just falsehood?
John wrote: “murdered cartoonists”
Those dumb cartoonists were murdered by militant extremists that they deliberately baited. Again what does that have to do with me, especially when I already posted the proof that 'blasphemy laws' aren't supported in Islam itself? What the extremist militants did was wrong; people have a right to be stupid as hell without getting slaughtered for it.
John wrote: “edits in the Koran/book burning”
What edits and burnings are you supposed to be referencing, John? Spill it out.
John Justin Green - Seems to me you are claiming there is a pure form of Islam which, if practiced would not be totalitarian and would be respectful of other belief without treating people outside Islam with claims or abuses. If that was true then it is not incompatible, but then the practical problem is that too many are following these totalitarian beliefs you would say are not Islam. These forms of Islam or false Islam if you will should be recognized refused the privileges we give based on religious freedoms. Id like you to explain the writings I have read tht are clearly incompatible and then you could try to show some biblical statement you think is similar. Let's see.
John Justin Green - Is it not a great problem that the totalitarians hide this from us when not able to dominate and pretend to be what you say is the true Muslim? And when the proper Muslims like yourself are neglecting this problem it makes the rest of us think you are conning us too.
John Justin Green - It reminds me of the mote in your eye Jesus mentioned.
John Justin Green - Lets all police ourselves
John Justin Green - Im am lost in a sea of persausive argument against Islam trying to find redaction but found so many other problems I am overwhelmed by www.thereligionofpeace.com and www.politicalislam.com and both are mountainous. The efforts to create more internal consistency and better perception by abrogation are not the only effort that suggests to me a learned man 250 years ago would have a good chance to not get Islam. Oddly I have trouble finding anything on this word 'redacted'. I wonder about my own memory. But it is clear there is a great deal of trouble finding the truth about Islam and both these sites and the constant arguments by so many now that we have this internet makes it clear. So I see no reason to assume the founding fathers got Islam.
John Justin Green - So with so much argument I have to retreat to actual Islam, to decide if it is compatible with the West. Rex said it is more about actions than words. The history of what hapens where Islam takes hold of minds is far from what you say or what is written. It is horrible. I believe this is for the same fundamental reason that there is such a contract between what a Marxist(socialist communist etc) says or writes and what actually occurs.
Muhammad Rasheed - The 'religionOfPeace' and 'politicalIslam' sites are anti-Islam propaganda sites, John. They aren't news sites. You've already demonstrated that you don't know enough about Islam to tell what's real or not, so why do you assume these known propagandists are telling you the truth?
John Justin Green - They sound reasonable to me. So does the pro Islam sites. You can't avoid bias either way. So stop using that as argument.
Muhammad Rasheed - Again, since you've already demonstrated that you don't know enough about Islam to discern between reality and propagandic falsehood, by what measure are you determining that these sites are reasonable?
John Justin Green - Stop. You attack mmessengersto avoid attending message. Even my message is missed. Any site may likely include misrepresentation on this subject and propaganda is a name your favorite sites may deserve. Im sure there are aspects of truth no matter the direction of bias. You are not proceeding along any discover by asking me to detail the way I find reason in reading sites. I will not even try to give such details. It is a rope a dope. Please stop this silly direction. As it is I find plenty of reason to reject Islam as a tolitarian system by its actual reality and this over rules writings even if there was no confusion about your books. Actions and words. We were arguing if my suspicion the Constitution was written with a lack of understanding of Islam was reasonable. So you are getting off on a side road which you enjoy that being making me the subject. Stop. I am boring.
John Justin Green - Just accept on this subject every source is considered propaganda by the opposing opinion holders. You need to read those site because if you do not know what the opposition argues then there is a good argument that you must not know your own position either.
Muhammad Rasheed - John, the Qur'an is the source text of Al-Islam. Allah instructed the believers to follow the way of Muhammad (peace be upon him) in how to walk out the tenets of the Qur'an. This is Al-Islam in totality: The Word of God, and the example of His prophet. If you are 100% ignorant of both of those items and what they actually teach, then by what measure do you use to determine whether any other source is reasonable or not?
John Justin Green - How would like to be bored by my repeatedly demanding you explain what makes you call a site propaganda. Think about it.
Muhammad Rasheed - Throughout this entire thread, a fool is continuously asking me to accept his proudly-uninformed ignorant opinion about my religion as truth.
That is the very definition of unreasonable.
John Justin Green - Bull shit! I never told you to accept anything I say as truth. Asshole. I dont even know for sure what the truth is. You are the most stuck up self inflated fantasist Ive come across.
John Justin Green - 100% ignorant is absurb but colorful. Ive read the Koran and get it the way I get it. What am I supposed to do ? Accept from you that I can't understand what I read and whateevr you say is how it is? Well Im listening. At least Im not calling you ignorant. But that is becasue I am the one here with respect for the other.
John Justin Green - Why don't you go make you noise at my biology idea I posted for you.
Muhammad Rasheed - John wrote: "I don't even know for sure what the truth is."
Then what measure are you using to determine whether these sites you love are reasonable?
John Justin Green - Korans are all over the place. Many free apps on Google play. Ive owned it for years
John Justin Green - Now you add another fantasy about what I love? Fuck off.
John Justin Green - Truth and reason are not the same things
Muhammad Rasheed - John wrote: "But that is because I am the one here with respect for the other."
You've been insulting my sacred belief system since I met you. You stated here that known enemy websites are "reasonable" in their slander, while admitting you are too ignorant of the topic to know whether that is true one way or another.
Is that respect?
John Justin Green - Read the sites for yourself and you will find them reasonable and muslins in arguments there. Reason is just a process to help navegate reality. It is not a garantee you manage it wihtout error
Muhammad Rasheed - I'm well acquainted with both of those sites, sir, since my Internet enemies cite both those AND that 'answeringIslam' drivel all the time.
Muhammad Rasheed - That is the nature of my questions to you.
John Justin Green - Respect is in regarding boudaries. If you consider my critism of Islam a boudary of your then I understand that would not be respectful to you. But in my mind how I treat you and more personally known boundaries has more improtance. We can not place ideas as boudaries or we can not have free exchange.
Muhammad Rasheed - What are you using to accept those sites at face value, but causes you to reject the message of the One God at face value?
Those site don't have a paradise nor a hell to put you in, but Allah certainly does.
John Justin Green - NO ! you make dangerous errors. I said those sites SOUND reasonable.
Muhammad Rasheed - John wrote: "But in my mind how i treat you and more personally known boundaries has more improtance."
You are comparing my relationship to God with my relationship with a random disbeliever on Facebook?
John Justin Green - I am not at all convinced I can trust the Koran is from the Word. If it is, it has been horribly misunderstood.
Muhammad Rasheed - They don't SOUND reasonable to me at all, John, but I KNOW better. I KNOW the source materials that they slander, and can ACTUALLY discern truth from falsehood within my OWN religious texts because of that knowing.
John Justin Green - NO. You know I do not hold Islam in mind as you do. To me it is an idea that must be explored. To you my exploration of its critism is some evil act. Well, sorry but that is not the case in my perspective.
Muhammad Rasheed - Thus far you haven't demonstrated any such "exploration." You've uncritically swallowed – hook, line, and sinker – everything that known enemy sites have spewed based on whether it 'SOUNDED' good to you or not. Based on what metric? You don't even know.
John Justin Green - OK then if you KNOW you can pass on to me what is wrong there. I did not accept it as truth. I did find the arguments reasonable but hold acceptance as I know they can have false premises in the working o fit. So I would love for you to point out an example. I respond well to actual discussion like that. But if you simply call it propaganda it has no real impact.
John Justin Green - History, present day sattes cosilogy news, listening to Mulas, talking with Muslin associates. Lots of exploration. Name calling form you has not helped.
Muhammad Rasheed - I'm calling it what it is. It's part of the Western Military Industrial Complex propaganda arm to drum up support for greed-fueled war.
John Justin Green - Titles name calling. You deserve your own critism the way you present ideas
Muhammad Rasheed - *shrug*
Muhammad Rasheed - We hold different ideologies in numerous arenas. I'm not likely to partner with you in very many of them. When you say such things, I generally take it as a mark of me being on the right track. lol
John Justin Green - Look, we can take one point at atime andjst get facts ironed out. That would be the best use of time. Declaring what names we call things and our current established opinions as if deriving them is obvious and needs no explanation is what gets us no where.
John Justin Green - OH right. I am of that same opinion. SO then what, should we just wait til we face each other in combat? To the victor goes the whatever. You dont really have that little hope for exchange or you would not be here.
Muhammad Rasheed - You would be better off ignoring both my hyperbole, and my labeling, and just jumping right into the points you wish to address. If I don't respond deep enough, then just ask me to clarify.
You know. Normal human discourse tools. :S
John Justin Green - I do try as you know. If you wnt discourse go explore my biology idea. I often think you just like to fight.
Muhammad Rasheed - Wasting a million posts to complain about my hyperbole and labels – neither of which I am likely to change – is the actual root cause of your annoyances.
John Justin Green - OK you slef gradizing fool, go count how many posts I have made that ignore your junk. then compare that to the number of posts with your junk and if my ignores outnumber your then Im the better man
John Justin Green - No more for tonight. 1;20 am. YOu are a terrible influence
John Justin Green - I want to ask this, are there any criticisms you acknowledge as reasonable regarding Islam itself as written? Or is there any site you would call fair that criticizes Islam? If not I have to say propaganda as a label you apply just means all critical thought regarding Islam. But maybe with a certain perspective Islam becomes perfect and no criticism is applicable. That would to be consistent with you so far.
John Justin Green - Now 1;30 am so serious this time
Muhammad Rasheed - There's two types of Islamic criticism (as far as we two are concerned)...
Muhammad Rasheed - 1.) Criticism from an informed well of knowledge based on the mind of one who has read the Qur'an from cover-to-cover, and thus can determine which hadith are false or not based on Allah's direct instruction to His prophet and to the believers. Such criticisms are real, and actually challenge me in my faith.
Muhammad Rasheed - 2.) Fake "criticisms" are from people who have no idea what Islam is actually about, but only think they do based on self-reinforced group discussions with people who think the misinformed way that they do.
Rex May - Seriously, it's not a question of what islam is about as it is of what self-identified Muslims THINK it's about. Right? Otherwise we wander off into 'no true Scotsman' territory.
John Justin Green - FUnny Rex. And if we don't like what we see about how they are going on about their argument Im sure they would bark at us that we can not have a meaningful opinion, not having any qualifications as Scotsmen ourselves. Actually the Scots have soem similarities in the stereotypes.
John Justin Green - Is this reasonable? "An Arabic word has only one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no disagreement about this among Arabic or Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.
Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace can be brought about by forcing others into submission. As the modern-day Islamic scholar, Ibrahim Sulaiman, puts it, "Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law."
Muhammad Rasheed - The problem with this philosophy is that there are almost a billion Muslims in the world, and they all don't think the same way in all areas. This is normal for humans btw. lol
What you are asking me to do is accept what hostile White Christians think about Muslims, and accept wishy-washy Muslim opinions about Allah's instructions as if it WERE the religion. lol Neither of these are acceptable. The opinions of other Muslims only matter if they align to what Allah said. In your case, the opinions of hostile disbelievers that are notoriously biased against Islam, never count under ANY circumstance.
So you two might as well let that go.
Muhammad Rasheed - John, the "submission/surrender” aspect has nothing to do with war between humans, but everything to do with the believer's decision to willingly surrender his/her own will to that of Allah's Will. Obedience to the commands of Abraham's God is how you win at life, and only by surrendering your little will to His can you do that.
God commanded the believers to be at peace, and make not mischief in the land. If hostile people attack them or other innocents, then they are to fight the oppressor until conditions of peace are regained.
John Justin Green - Yes. And outside context of our subject, one could think you referred to Christian submission. So it comes down to policing bad behavior. Now with the problem of the barbaric statements and behaviors like the statement I quoted above by the so called Islamic scholar Ibrahim Sulaiman, what would you say is a reasonable way to deal with it? If we had a large number of Christians on a false path and organized to kill or subjugate others today what would we do. But we do not have such because it is not tolerated. Should we not react to all this abuse of Islam by so called Muslims in a firm manner as we would to ourselves? What is the reason such barbarism is put up with by people like yourself?
Muhammad Rasheed - John wrote: "...one could think you referred to Christian submission."
In or out of context, we ARE talking about Islam, which is an Abrahamic religion. The Divine Author of the Qur'an is the same One God that Jesus Christ (pbuh) prayed to.
You don't like something Sulaiman said, because you hold views that cause you to interpret what he said in some crazy way. You now propose to "do something about it." This sounds like the typical barbarity that I've come to expect from your demographic, John. Do you want to enslave him because you didn't like what he said? Teach 'em a lesson with a King Leopold style hand chopping?
According to the FBI, a "large number of Christians are on a false path and organized to kill/subjugate others today." They've known about it since 2006 when they released the report. Apparently no one feels it is a big deal and no one wants to do anything about it and it is very much tolerated. Only brown-skinned Muslims are the "bad guys" to the US Gov, their allies, and you.
What barbarism do you believe that I'm putting up with? Sulaiman's comment? lol Does that mean that you believe that only White Christian males are allowed the right of free speech? Any other demographics’ speech must be controlled?
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