Thursday, April 21, 2016
The Truth About "Islamic" Slavery
Kirb Brimstone - Facinating! Thoughts, Muhammad Rasheed?
SLAVERY IN ISLAM & ITS HISTORICAL ROOTS
Muhammad Rasheed - Do you really find it "fascinating?" lol Why?
Kirb Brimstone - Never heard this articulated like this in this format. What are your thoughts?
Muhammad Rasheed - Well, I hear these arguments a lot actually. They lack depth and insight into the material, but their strength is that the body of Muslim scholars ALSO lacked depth and insight in the material. The latter' opinions in sharia rulings, combined with the fraudulent hadith, and the problematic practices of the body of believers themselves, seem to give support to the arguments.
My counter is that, the problem ISN'T in Islam, but in the "Muslim World." They need to re-evaluate their understanding of the message of Allah and His prophet, and calibrate themselves to the Path. They do this by studying the Qur'an according to the BEST meaning in it -- with 'best' defined from a righteousness perspective, not a perspective of greed/lust which seems to have been the norm, especially into the modern day.
For example, God lists "freeing the slave" as a Great Good Deed, one of the most potent of righteous acts. Shouldn't it be common sense that to do the literal opposite action -- to take a slave -- would be the exact opposite of a righteous act, i.e., a sin? So why would they think that it was okay to do so? That Allah would actually encourage it? The "Muslim World" slave trade is driven by greed/lust and is not supported by the Qur'an. He said you aren't going to get into paradise without believing in Him, avoiding evil, and doing good deeds. Freeing the slave is a good deed, and taking a slave is a sin. This is a 'no brainer' and slavery should have been wiped out in the "Muslim World" a thousand years ago just by following the SPIRIT of the Book and the prophet that walked it out "in the best example."
So yeah, I disagree that it is an "Islam problem," as that is a shallow and quite inaccurate claim. The problem is actually, as usual, the fault of those who follow their sin/greed/lusts instead of the Word of the One God. It's even worse when they lack insight and pretend that the practices have the sanction of God.
Kirb Brimstone - Why?
Muhammad Rasheed - Because it's easier to be lazy, and follow your lusts, than study and raise yourself up to the highest ideas of whatever ideology you claim to follow. People being people. It's the reason the Word is on earth in the first place as a guide to correct behavior, but if the people don't USE it...
They will not be wronged on the Last Day when they find themselves being dragged towards the Pit for their lifetime of foolishness on earth.
Kirb Brimstone - No why do you say it's an Arab problem not a Islamic problem? Do you not recognize the hadiths?
Kirb Brimstone - Also what branch of Muslim are you?
Muhammad Rasheed - 1.) I recognize the hadith that are backed by the Qur'an as authentic.
2.) I don't follow any sects/branches because of what God said about it in Qur'an. I'm wary of any hint of "sect-ism."
Adam Thompson - Kirb, have you seen this? What does the Quran really say about Jesus
I know it's a bit off topic, but thought you'd appreciate the perspective.
Muhammad Rasheed - My response to that is here: Wait... You Converted to Christianity Because of What the Qur'an Said About Jesus??? ...and continued here: Mario's Conversion Revisited - A Dialogue