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Rasheed, Muhammad. "ALL ROLES FILLED: No god but GOD." Cartoon. The Official Website of Cartoonist M. Rasheed 10 Jan 2022. Pen & ink w/Adobe Photoshop color.
Rasheed, Muhammad. "ALL ROLES FILLED: No god but GOD." Cartoon. The Official Website of Cartoonist M. Rasheed 10 Jan 2022. Pen & ink w/Adobe Photoshop color.
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Muhammad Rasheed - 2 Chronicles 7:13-14
Jason McCammon - Really though. That sounds like a real narcissistic asshole at work.
Muhammad Rasheed - Make sure you let Him know all of that on Judgment Day as you stand within earshot of the roar of The Pit.
Jason McCammon - I know.
Jason McCammon - But I'm pretty sure he would know how I feel.
Muhammad Rasheed - Good Luck!
Jason McCammon - I'm not against god. But I am against the lie. Not really sure if it would even be possible to change how I feel about that.
Fulani Carter - @Muhammad... how sad to be so caught up in myths and delusional thinking.
Muhammad Rasheed - @Fulani... What are you using to determine that it's only "delusion?"
Jason McCammon - Not trying to turn this into a debate on your page. But would you not agree that if someone believes something to be real, when it is not, then they are delusional? No matter what it is.
Muhammad Rasheed - Jason wrote: "when it is not"
First, we need to determine what is delusion and what isn't. Can we have a serious discussion if we don't first calibrate to be on the same page on the definition basics?
To me, it's atheism that's the delusion. They have nothing but "L's" in the great debate while they pretend to be the intellectual class. That's weird to me.
Jason McCammon - But would you agree to that definition of a delusion? As you said, we would have to agree on that first before it would be possible to go any further.
Muhammad Rasheed - You said, "when it is not." Is this truth or subjective opinion?
Jason McCammon - I'm saying that that would be my definition as I understand it. I'm just asking if you would agree with that.
Jason McCammon - Or would you have another one?
Muhammad Rasheed - I'm not understanding yet.
You said what would be your definition?
Jason McCammon - if someone believes something to be real, when it is not, then they are delusional
Muhammad Rasheed - Jason wrote: "when it is not"
That's the part I'm trying to nail down. lol
How do you know it's not?
Jason McCammon - that is a different question, of how we know it is not. the determination is if it's NOT real, but you think it is, then that is delusion. If you keep saying there is a monkey in the room, but there is no monkey. Then that's delusional.
Muhammad Rasheed - So, just because something is unseen/hidden, doesn't mean it isn't real and has influence upon reality. This is not a concept alien to us as humans just on our material side of existence, since the wind is often unseen with clear influence upon us.
Is "because I can't see it" your measure of what is real or not?
Jason McCammon - lol. you are going further than the question. The question is not about determining if something is real. It simply saying that if we agree that something isn't real, but someone says it is, then they are delusional. This is not about determining if something is real or not, it's about what does it mean to be delusional. So what would you say delusional is?
Muhammad Rasheed - Jason wrote: "The question is not about determining if something is real."
Bearing in mind that I'm trying to finish today's cartoons and keep having to break away to type into these threads, I'm kinda in a hurry to get to the end point of this discussion without too many twists & turns. lol
Jason wrote: "So what would you say delusional is?"
Delusion is being confronted with facts and deliberately deciding to hold onto an inaccurate position (for whatever reason).
Jason McCammon - I find that definition interesting and slightly debatable. But I'm gonna go ahead and let you draw. There are no quick answers to this.
Muhammad Rasheed - I'm not looking for "quick answers," just the meat of the discussion without too many side roads.
Kelvin McGahee - @Jason... this is Textbook Narcissism. Don’t forget, He created you and gave you free will and the infinite knowledge potential he possess but will push’s you for using it.
Jason McCammon - @Kelvin... I don’t agree that he created me so it’s not something that I can forget.
Muhammad Rasheed - Why don't you agree that God created you?
Jason McCammon - I believe it just stories people made up. There is nothing to suggest that there is a god that made anyone, or anything for that matter. So no, I don't agree that there was a god that made me.
Muhammad Rasheed - Jason wrote: "There is nothing to suggest that there is a god that made anyone, or anything for that matter."
The revealed scripture sent to earth for that very purpose? That suggests it in unambiguous terms.
Jason McCammon - No. Not one little bit. Are you referring to the Bible? It wasn’t sent to Earth. Some people wrote it. Just like some people wrote every other creation story.
Peter David - @Muhammad... The revealed scripture was written by very human men who wrote about things that happened fifteen hundred years before their birth. Sorry.
Muhammad Rasheed - Jason wrote: "no. Not one little bit."
That means you never bothered to read it, just complain towards it. The texts are certainly unambiguous in explaining that it was indeed God who created reality.
Muhammad Rasheed - Peter wrote: "The revealed scripture was written by..."
The message was revealed by God to the prophets who preached it during their lifetimes. Their followers would write it down with varying degrees of piety & devotion to the message's integrity depending upon the followers in question. As a whole, the body of scripture tells the complete message and is valuable instruction to us all.
Jason McCammon - @Muhammad... I've read the ENTIRE Bible. It's been a long time, but I have done it.
Jason McCammon - @Muhammad... But you don't know that the prophets spoke the word of god besides the fact that they said so. So that kind of doesn't mean anything.
Jason McCammon - @Muhammad...How about this question: Where are all of the FICTION stories from the times?
Muhammad Rasheed - @Jason... I do know it because God explained their role and what He tasked them to do in the book provided for that purpose.
Muhammad Rasheed - Jason wrote: "Where are all of the FICTION stories from the times?"
Like the 1,001 Nights tales? What about them?
Jason McCammon - That's something explaining itself. You can't use the Bible to prove the Bible. That's like asking someone if they are a liar.
Muhammad Rasheed - Jason wrote: "I've read the ENTIRE Bible. It's been a long time, but I have done it."
So, if it was so long ago that you no longer remember it unambiguously said that God made everything, then you effectively didn't read it at all.
Jason McCammon - No. Earlier than that. Around 4k years that the Bible takes place.
Muhammad Rasheed - Jason wrote: "You can't use the Bible to prove the Bible."
lol Of course I can. The bible is among us for a very specific reason.
Muhammad Rasheed - Jason wrote: "Around 4k years that the Bible takes place."
Adam & Eve were certainly older than 4,000 yrs. They were the first homo sapiens.
Muhammad Rasheed - Jason wrote: "No. Earlier than that."
The 1,001 Nights are a collection of ancient stories that had been passed down for ages. They were older than the book published by the European who collected & profited from them.
Davy Jones - Thanks for this awesome Word of God. You are awesome for sharing. Words to TRULY live by.
Peter David - With very little change you could rewrite that to be threats from an abusive husband. "When I take things away from you, just praise me and I'll make everything better."
Steve Haerry - @Peter... Hilarious
The intent of passage has to do with those with greater privileges have greater responsibility. Akin somewhat to “With great power comes great responsibility " I seem to remember Groucho Marx asking someone, “Have you stopped beating your wife?" Many things in language can be convulted with a particular intent or motive .
Muhammad Rasheed - Peter wrote: "With very little change you could rewrite that to be threats from an abusive husband."
There's a big difference between the Omniscient, Omnipotent Supreme Creator of reality versus some guy some woman married. One gets to be God and makes all the rules while the other is just some dude she shouldn't have married. #FalseEquivalencyFallacy
Peter David - @Muhammad... Uh, no, there isn’t. Disasters are called Acts of God. God screws with humans all the time and then expects to be adored? That’s the definition of an abusive relationship. An equivalency isn’t false just because you don’t like it.
Muhammad Rasheed - @Peter... The equivalency is false because God makes the rules, while the abusive human is a fellow human abusing another fellow human in violation of the rules God made. God's rules are designed to lead the people back to the Path they were instructed to be on so they can be saved, while the abusive human's actions will lead only to his own doom. God is not the same as a li'l human guy (despite all the imagery in pop culture).
I don't like the equivalency provided precisely because it is false.
Peter David - Uh huh. So free will is a joke. You can do what you want until he punishes you for it. The only guideline He provided was the Ten Commandments. But the first commandment was "Thou Shalt Have No Other God before me." So whoops. Stricly speaking, there goes Christianity. Nor, should I point out, is there a commandment that doesn't specify against abuse. Adultery as practiced by Trump, yes, but not abuse. So that's okay, I guess. Plus there's nothing in the Bible against slavery, so that's fine too. Trying to live your life by what's in and not in the Bible is a waste of time. Endeavoring to live your life by what you think God wants is likewise a waste of time. And you don't like the equivalency because it points out the abusive underpinning of the entire concept of God. You're like those people who claim that Covid came into existence because God decided to punish us. For that matter, that thinking declared AIDS came into existence to punish gays. And who knows what they believed was God's reason for the Black Death, although naturally they claimed it on a) witches and b) Jews. So please: stop using God as the ultimate "Now you'll know better" and the excuse for when things go wrong, unless you want to face the truth that if He does exist, then He's punishing us for using the free will that He gave us.
Muhammad Rasheed - Peter wrote: "Uh huh."
Peter wrote: "So free will is a joke."
It's not a joke at all. Aligning our will to the Divine Will is how we win; aligning it to our own stubbornness and lusts is how we lose. The tool of Free Will is gifted to us on God's terms, not ours. This is God's reality.
Peter wrote: "You can do what you want until he punishes you for it."
This is exactly right. We can do whatever we like during this finite earthly existence. Afterwards, we will be JUDGED. Note that God was a bit more "hands on" so to speak during the Age of the Prophets as described in the 2 Chronicles verses highlighted above.
Peter wrote: "The only guideline He provided was the Ten Commandments."
God revealed the enduring scripture of the ages as preached & instructed by His anointed messengers from Adam to Muhammad, of which the Ten Commandments are a part (peace be upon the prophets!).
Peter wrote: "But the first commandment was 'Thou Shalt Have No Other God before me.' So whoops. Stricly speaking, there goes Christianity."
We will all be judged, including the followers of the Christ. It's in all of our best interests -- believers and disbelievers alike -- to study to show ourselves approved that we may pass Judgment Day. If even the believers are found with our sins outweighing our righteousness, hellfire will be our portion and nothing will save us from it.
Peter wrote: "Nor, should I point out, is there a commandment that doesn't specify against abuse. Adultery as practiced by Trump, yes, but not abuse. So that's okay, I guess."
There's plenty of scripture instructing us to be kind to one another and similar. This can't be a serious point.
Peter wrote: "Plus there's nothing in the Bible against slavery, so that's fine too."
In the Qur'an, God instructed the believers to 'free the slave' as one of the top righteous deeds we can encode upon our record and He conspicuously did not condone taking of new slaves. We can reasonably assume such commands were also in the previous scripture at some point.
Peter wrote: "Trying to live your life by what's in and not in the Bible is a waste of time."
lol No, you just have to care and put in the effort.
Peter wrote: "Endeavoring to live your life by what you think God wants is likewise a waste of time."
Only if you are dismissive of the material from bias.
Peter wrote: "And you don't like the equivalency because it points out the abusive underpinning of the entire concept of God."
Not so. I dislike trying to equate the One truly unique Being in existence with a fleshy human.
Peter wrote: "You're like those people who claim that Covid came into existence because God decided to punish us."
I'm nothing like that, and this is narrow-minded of you.
Peter wrote: "For that matter, that thinking declared AIDS came into existence to punish gays. And who knows what they believed was God's reason for the Black Death, although naturally they claimed it on a) witches and b) Jews."
Are you having this discussion with me, or some other hypothetical people? Please focus.
Peter wrote: "So please: stop using God as the ultimate 'Now you'll know better' and the excuse for when things go wrong..."
This is a textbook strawman effigy fallacy you've decided to wield roughly sorta-kinda in my direction (?). Please focus on what I actually type instead.
Peter wrote: "unless you want to face the truth that if He does exist, then He's punishing us for using the free will that He gave us."
lol God gifted us with Free Will as well as the criterion for discerning right from wrong according to His rules. If we align our Free Will to the revealed scripture provided for our guidance, then we will win. If we align our Free Will to that which God commanded us to avoid, then we'll lose. Such is the nature of our relationship with the Divine. You may toss out your personal definition of what you would like 'free will' to mean as it will not serve you.
Roberta Gregory - God needs to go see a shrink.
Muhammad Rasheed - "...and turn away from the evil they have been doing..."
It doesn't seem like it. It appears as if He was trying to help them save themselves from certain doom.
Jill Thompson - God is an abusive father.
Muhammad Rasheed - God is the all-powerful Lord of the worlds who made all the rules. "Abusive father" doesn't compute in context.
Jill Thompson - When someone withholds resources/safety as punishment from his children or sends pain upon on them but expects that they show him love while being abused and only then will he love them? If that was happening to your daughter from her husband, you would not stand it. It is not a loving relationship.
Muhammad Rasheed - Jill wrote: "When someone..."
This isn't "someone." This is God, Supreme Creator of reality and Master of the Day of Judgment.
Jill wrote: "withholds resources/safety as punishment from his children or sends pain upon on them but expects that they show him love while being abused and only then will he love them?"
That was the terms of the formal covenant they agreed to upfront. They were contract-violators and were in the wrong. That came with consequences.
Jill wrote: "If that was happening to your daughter from her husband, you would not stand it."
Irrelevant. We are talking about God's relationship with the creation He made from scratch according to the rules of reality He established.
Jill wrote: "It is not a loving relationship."
It is God's universe. We can decide to reject God, but things will go badly for us. There are no other options outside of what God established in this Game God wants to play. That's why God gets to be God. God is not a li'l fleshy human male having a tantrum. God is the all-powerful Lord of *ALL* and our own agency within it is limited according to the strict rules God set.
Our job is to submit. God's job is to be God.
Jason McCammon - @Jill... He’s kinda like the father that beats your mother and locks your sister in the closet with no food. But your mom keeps telling you that, he provides for us and cares for us so love him even though you don’t understand his methods. so you give him a pass.
Muhammad Rasheed - @Jason... Meanwhile, God explained upfront what His rules were, and kept His Word in what would happen if He were disobeyed. It turns out there are consequences from breaking formal agreements with the All-Powerful Lord of the worlds.
Jason McCammon - So because of that, he gets to be abusive?
Muhammad Rasheed - lol God gets to do whatever He wants to do. That's why He's God. Punishing you for disobedience is your fault for your willful stubbornness.
Tom Beland - I thought his love was unconditional
Paula Barnett - @Tom... The Bible doesn't say that.🤷🏾♀️ It says God *is* love. There are commands (rules of the house) given to the children of TMH, obedience is optional consequences are not. Free will, like free speech doesn't negate Consequences. You're free to do what you want🤷🏾♀️don't worry about the consequences I guess.
Tom Beland - @Paula... Not my kind of God
Muhammad Rasheed - @Tom... You're rejecting God because you don't get to do whatever you want free of consequence as if you were God's peer?
Tom Beland - @Muhammad... Am I afraid of upsetting an imaginary guy in the clouds? Not at all
Muhammad Rasheed - lol No, I'm asking are you rejecting the material because there's no loophole where you get to share in, or assume the role of, the Godhead?
Tom Beland - No I just don't think God someone who tells you he'll do these things for you and then put an asterisk over it
Muhammad Rasheed - It's a contract. In exchange for these behaviors, God will provide "the Ultimate Reward for a human." If the behaviors are not performed in a certain measure, this punishment will be imposed.
Contracts are not alien to you, Tom.
Tom Beland - The whole idea that there's some kind of bullshit imaginary contract with my invisible person is ridiculous. If there's a contract show my signature. You can't just pull things out of your brain and say here's an imaginary contact you got to honor it. I think religion is stupid sometimes because it just makes you believe shit that's just simply not there.
Muhammad Rasheed - Tom wrote: "the whole idea that there's some kind of bullshit imaginary contract with my invisible person is ridiculous."
'Ridiculous' based on what exactly? That you don't want to believe it?
Tom wrote: "If there's a contract show my signature."
The revealed scriptural message explaining that it was the One God who reached out to humanity to tell us who we were, what our relationship to the Supreme Creator was, to let us know the nature of the The Great Game initiated from the moment of our consciousness. The One God gets to impose His made-up rules on the creation He made-up. We just live here.
Tom wrote: "You can't just pull things out of your brain and say here's an imaginary contact you got to honor it."
I didn't have to -- scripture holds the instructions for how to play the Game optimally.
Tom wrote: "I think religion is stupid sometimes because it just makes you believe shit that's just simply not there."
You may reject it as you like, but there's no getting out of the contract. The choice is to play-to-win or be in eternal torment by default. There is no third option.
Tom Beland - Your opinion not mine.
Muhammad Rasheed - It's not my opinion, it's rules of the Game as revealed by the One who made us all. You're playing no matter what. I suggest you play to win.
Repent. Bow down to the One who made you. Do good. Reject evil. Repent when you mess up and be not obstinate in doing wrong. And then win.
The rules are deceptively simple, but admittedly not easy. Many of us have to put ourselves in the uncomfortable position of "teaching an old dog new tricks," so to speak, with the need to breakdown and abandon old habits to build up new ones aligned to the commands of the Lord thy God.
But the effort will be 100% worth it beyond what you can imagine.
Chris Flick - Thou shalt not kill... but prove to me you are obedient and love me by killing your son.
Just TESTING you! Hahahahahahaha!
Dude! You should have seen you're face as you were about to kill your son!
Man, that was classic!
I gotta put THAT in a book somewhere...
This is the problem I have with The Bible. It was written BY men to control other men (and women). That's why we get wildly inconsistent and hypocritical stories like Abraham and his son. 🙁
Muhammad Rasheed - Chris wrote: "This is the problem I have with The Bible."
lol You don't have a problem with the bible. You have a problem with your poor understanding of the material as filtered through a decade or two of agnostic/atheistic stand-up comedy.
The primary point of sacred scripture is God explaining our relationship with the Divine. Our job is to believe in full submission to the all-powerful One God who made us. Even when God commands something that could be taken wrong in any other context, you do it anyway for no other reason than because the Supreme Creator of reality said so -- that's what God is looking for from us and that's the lesson of the Abraham and the sonship sacrifice event.
God is GOD. Our job as the creation is to willingly submit to the Most High.
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