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Muhammad Rasheed - Who are the "Indigenous Muslims?"
In the 2012 press release on the Oppressed Peoples Online Word website, it says, "It is intended to address the concerns and issues that are challenging to the American Muslim citizens in the 21st century."
Who are the "American Muslim citizens" it's referencing? Are these the "Indigenous Muslims?"
Mustafa Bey - @Muhammad... You dont know? That's a no brainer.
Muhammad Rasheed - @Mustafa... Apparently it's a secret since you are reluctant to say what it is. Is it a term used by an international marxist-communist network?
Mustafa Bey - Lol... brother you looking for something clandestine or what? Like I said its a no brainer... but here you go... All that suedo political talk about Marxism etc is on you.
"Indigenous" (adj.) | Etymonline
Mustafa Bey - If you know anything about Shaykh Muhammad abdul Jabber and his video titled " Color Me Muslim" where he provided his perspective on Arabia as our Fatherland, Africa being the Motherland.
Muhammad Rasheed - Mustafa wrote: "Lol... brother you looking for something clandestine or what?"
I was looking for a clear answer to my "Who are the 'Indigenous Muslims?'" question. For some reason it took you three posts to answer my original question.
Mustafa wrote: "'Color Me Muslim' where he provided his perspective on Arabia as our Fatherland, Africa being the Motherland"
This is ideological verbiage typically used by the pan-africanists, which is definitely communist influenced. I reject the "Arabia as our Fatherland" concept, because the point of Al-Islam is the Oneness of God and obedience to Him, not about "the land of Arabia." I reject the "Africa being the Motherland" concept because pan-africanism is a failed ideology that has served only to further disenfranchise my ethnic group as the former U.S. slave class by causing us to reject our own country that we've built.
Mustafa Bey - The short answer is the Muslims born on American soil, making them American by just soli... i dont know why thats so hard for you to grasp...
Muhammad Rasheed - Mustafa wrote: "i dont know why thats so hard for you to grasp..."
The term "indigenous" doesn't traditionally mean "born on American soil." Usually it references the original natives of a land whose ancestors lived there before European colonialization. This is common knowledge, so for you to pretend it means something more technically narrow is disingenuous and sneaky behavior that appears to hide a suspicious motive. I do associate such behavior with international marxist-communist agents who of course do not believe in organized religion at all, but have zero qualms about pretending to be a theist to further certain goals.
Mustafa Bey - I disagree! You mean the Aboriginal, not indigenous dear brother. 1660s, "first, earliest, existing from the beginning," especially in reference to inhabitants of lands colonized by Europeans, from aborigines (see aborigine) + -al (1). The specific Australian sense is attested from 1820, with capital A-. The noun meaning "an original inhabitant, an autochthon" is attested from 1760. Related: Aboriginally; aboriginality (1848); aboriginalism (1859). Indigenous isn't limited to any particular land grasshopper...
Muhammad Rasheed - Mustafa wrote: "I disagree!"
That's nice.
Mustafa wrote: "You mean the Aboriginal, not indigenous dear brother."
No, I meant indigenous, which is used in the more general, global way that I'm using it. "Aboriginal" is used in a stricter, more constitutional way for a handful of more specific peoples.
Mustafa Bey - Oh ok, you reject pan Africanism, because its a failed ideology, not because its man made jahi. Gotcha! At least the Shayk ties his theory to the creed, and had zero to do with Pan Africanism. I dont disagree that most of the colonized world embraced some form of Marxist, Socialist Ideology as the vehicle to articulate their aspirations as people. That said, the ulema then just like now we're under political constraints by despotic rulers. Tell me something though, you being such an Islamic Purist, who do you actually look to for your leadership?
Mustafa Bey - So who are the indigenous Muslims, if it isn't the Muslims born on American soil brother Rasheed? Do you say it only applies to a specific group based on something other than the principal of just soli?
Mustafa Bey - Oh you're ADOS negros, no wonder. How that happen? Who are the Muslims that lead that?
Muhammad Rasheed - Mustafa wrote: "Who care that you personally reject his theory, thats not the subject here"
Wrapping an entire org around failed theories and foolishness is beyond just my personal opinion. It's objectively nonsensical.
Muhammad Rasheed - Mustafa wrote: "Oh ok, you reject pan Africanism, because its a failed ideology, not because its man made jahi."
The Internet is man-made. I don't reject that. Smelting iron ore and making different alloys is a man-made process, too. I don't reject that either. Being "man-made" isn't inherently bad. It's bad when it's stupid with nefarious purposes behind it, like pan-africanism.
Mustafa wrote: "Gotcha! At least the Shayk ties his theory to the creed, and had zero to do with Pan Africanism."
This is called "double-talk." It's usually associated with whites and their legendary "forked tongue." Why are you using it here?
Mustafa wrote: "I dont disagree that most of the colonized world embraced some form of Marxist, Socialist Ideology as the vehicle to articulate their aspirations as people."
Not organically. They did so because their were indoctrinated by agents who wanted to use the people's force and political capital for the secret goals of their handlers.
Mustafa wrote: "That said, the ulema then just like now we're under political constraints by despotic rulers."
How will marxist-communism solve that when that system was invented by the same despotic folk speaking from the other side of their necks?
Mustafa wrote: "you being such an Islamic Purist"
What is an "Islamic Purist?" Naturally, I expect you to hem-n-haw/duck-n-dodge again before you actually attempt to answer my direct question.
Muhammad Rasheed - Mustafa wrote: "So who are the indigenous Muslims, if it isn't the Muslims born on American soil brother Rasheed?"
Based on the term's traditional usage, not the fake new usage you're trying to casually pretend, an "Indigenous Muslim" implies a Palestinian in their own land who is Muslim, as an example. It's sounds like the Bureau of Indigenous Muslim Affairs is a pro-immigrant group that uses Black American Muslim political capital to help foreign Muslims.
Muhammad Rasheed - Mustafa wrote: "Oh you're ADOS negros, no wonder."
I don't know what that means when you say it. Obviously, we are ideological rivals. I don't trust the "Bey" in your name and I'm distrustful of you calling me "brother" all the time. It's cringe, as the kids say.
Mustafa wrote: "How that happen?"
The ancestors of the Dahomey, or a similar tribe, captured my unknown African ancestors and sold them to the Dutch East India Company (VOC), who sold them to North American white planters.
Mustafa wrote: "Who are the Muslims that lead that?"
The ADOS Advocacy Foundation isn't a religious organization. Who claimed it was? Speaking of which, show me in the Qur'an (the source text of Al-Islam) where it authorizes the The Moorish Science Temple of America sect.
Mustafa Bey - Citizenship and Muslim tricky as there are no Citizens under Islamic law, thusly those who come here become dhimies to the [US] which is a reduced status. We on the other hand have our own dilemma regarding so called ["c"itizenship].
Muhammad Rasheed - Mustafa wrote: "as there are no Citizens under Islamic law"
Before you start trying to pretend to be an expert on Islam, show me in the Qur'an (the source text of Al-Islam) where it authorizes the The Moorish Science Temple of America sect.
Mustafa Bey - you're the typical know it all. You dont have to trust me, you dont have to like my name, who cares... ADOS isn't an American invention, it was coined by the Spaniards and applied to the Yahudi who fought against my Muslim predecessors. Al Quran mandated Nationality for all people, we were unfortunate in that we were denationalized by the Christians and converted into ADOS, FBA NBCz, none of which is a Nationality under law. MSTofA has nothing to do with the anything I've stated, although they are and have been correctly calling to Nationhood as opposed to so called community. Suratul Hujurat: 13 is our mandate for Nationality inspite of any who fails to comprehend or disagree. Also MSTofA isn't a sect of Islam at all, neither the NOI, those are clearly heretical groups. I've been Muslim since 1995, Ive been a Moor since 1989 so what you think of me is inconsequential. You're a ADOS NEGRO by your own admission.
Mustafa Bey - And you never established how indigenous only applies to ADOS, to the exclusion of other Muslims ☪️ lol...
Muhammad Rasheed - Mustafa wrote: "And you never established how indigenous only applies to ADOS, to the exclusion of other Muslims"
I never tried to establish it because I never made the claim. This is a strawman fallacy you invented because you're too cowardly to address my actual points, or you are merely challenged with basic reading comprehension, though I lean towards the former.
Muhammad Rasheed - Mustafa wrote: "you're the typical know it all"
You're the typical anti-Black American communist spy hypocrite. I guess that makes us even.
Mustafa wrote: "You dont have to trust me"
lol I certainly don't.
Mustafa wrote: "you dont have to like my name, who cares..."
"Sects" of Islam are inherently haram and untrustworthy.
Mustafa wrote: "ADOS isn't an American invention"
What part of this discourse gave you the impression that I would blindly take your word on anything at all, especially something that is good for my people that I am well aware your handlers instructed you to attack? lol
Mustafa wrote: "it was coined by the Spaniards and applied to the Yahudi"
The American Descendants of Slavery (ADOS) was a term coined by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in his book titled Where Do We Go From Here? Chaos or Community? That's why the modern political advocacy group uses it.
Mustafa wrote: "who fought against my Muslim predecessors."
Show me in the Qur'an (the source text of Al-Islam) where it authorizes the The Moorish Science Temple of America sect.
Mustafa wrote: "Al Quran mandated Nationality for all people"
In what Surah/Ayat?
Mustafa wrote: "we were unfortunate in that we were denationalized by the Christians and converted into ADOS [...], none of which is a Nationality under law."
No one claimed ADOS was a nationality. It's an ethnic group, based on lineage & heritage.
Mustafa wrote: "MSTofA has nothing to do with the anything I've stated"
This false sect is the lens through which you interpret Islam, yes?
Mustafa wrote: "although they are and have been correctly calling to Nationhood as opposed to so called community."
This is ideological babble from a communist agent.
Mustafa wrote: "Suratul Hujurat: 13 is our mandate for Nationality"
Which ayats?
Mustafa wrote: "Also MSTofA isn't a sect of Islam at all"
Are you inventing a new definition for the word "sect" to fuel your weird denial of what is clearly true?
Mustafa wrote: "neither the NOI"
lol The NOI is also clearly a sect.
Mustafa wrote: "those are clearly heretical groups. I've been Muslim since 1995"
Really? lol
Mustafa wrote: "Ive been a Moor since 1989 so what you think of me is inconsequential."
It sounds like your 33rd degree Moor certification (or whatever) outweighs any Islam you pretend to support.
Mustafa wrote: "You're a ADOS NEGRO by your own admission."
Proudly. This is the ethnic group that the entire world tries to steal from and replace. When the international grifters Marcus Garvey, Noble Drew Ali and W.D. Fard sought to elevate themselves, they all came looking for my people to exploit and plunder. The ADOS movement advocates for my people to use our dormant and oft-exploited political capital to elevate ourselves, though you agents do detest it.
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